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I mean you help to the year 1985

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she have at today's Tuesday August first

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hit there until

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planet I'm your host giving Church what

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is cracking everybody now you do it fade

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the block tonight very special guest

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live from Winnipeg Manitoba Canada the

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one and only grant Cameron is here now

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we are going to go deep in conversation

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his website presidential UFO dot-com one

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of the great websites out there and you

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follows you you need to go and check

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grant Cameron researcher of the year

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just just a guy he isn't the guy so

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that's where we are going to go tonight

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tomorrow night Don Schmidt is here we're

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fader night with Jon Rappoport and his

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no more fake newsroom live followed by

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a very big week here last night was a

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extraordinary and I want to take Bret

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right for the first time with the words

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shirt okay all right the original five

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who does it let's see who does I'm

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O'Donnell Karen that'll get you a fade

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Julie brown didn't happen for another

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Kurt Loder Kurt Loder did the news

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number one and Kurt Loder didn't come

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around for a while

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come on the original 5 I gave you for

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know that got Alan hunter all right now

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you better not have cheated but that is

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correct from 5 inches tall on Twitter

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all right 5 inches tall email Rita right

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now and and verify who you are and we'll

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send you a fade to black t-shirt let us

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know what size all right JJ Jackson

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I like JJ Jackson I like JJ Jackson and

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and what you know there were some

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everybody thought I'll give you a little

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bit of MTV Trivium everybody thought

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that it was live right like radio it was

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live and it was not what they would do

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the 5 V J's would go and record the

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intro and outro to all of those videos

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in the studio and then they would play

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it back they were never live I always

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thought it was live like radio and I

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found out years later that uh I was more

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interested in the women on MTV yeah like

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like like who Nina

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Blackwood really or Martha Quinn was it

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Nina or Martha so um yeah it was taped

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it was taped everybody thought that it

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was live and what was funny for me if

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you went through like a 12-hour cycle

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right and you caught MTV at 3 o'clock in

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the morning it would be like a replay of

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what you saw earlier in the day but yeah

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whatever happened to those old days and

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if you

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member the whole getup for MTB which

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made them so successful was that they

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just played music videos music music

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videos and that was it and then you know

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the TV series and the branching off and

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all of that and I understand it went

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through a cycle and it was noon it was

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reality TV but an MTV Spring Break and

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and yeah okay alright but what made ya

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headbangers ball was a pretty good riki

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rachtman yeah yeah and they just got

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away from it their numbers have declined

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I mean they have declined by some are

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saying now it's like 30% a year twenty

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nine percent per year

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makes you wonder right I mean who's

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watching MTV today alright tonight Grant

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Cameron is here and tomorrow night Don

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Schmidt will be joining us to talk about

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his new book cover up at Roswell now

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what I wanted to talk about because when

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it comes to presidents and and UFOs a

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meaty what do they know well they know a

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lot and for any but now Grande I are

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going to talk about this tonight nobody

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knows more about this than Grant Cameron

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but the way that you follow G has gone

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throughout history the subject of UFOs

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and the subject of ET in the 50s and

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throughout the 60s and certainly the

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early part of the 70s as well the

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government was completely immersed and

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involved in the subject of UFOs and they

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were public about it there were press

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conferences about flying saucers and et

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in contact it went down all the time so

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that involvement and that interest has

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never stopped it's there under another

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name black projects but it continues to

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this day but the other thing that

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happened and certainly starting in 1947

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with Roswell there were other cases that

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predated Roswell - but let's just go

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with Roswell because Roswell was the

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spilling of the bean

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newspaper and radio and everything else

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that had gotten released at that time

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was the ability to create disinformation

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after that point 1947 we had Truman we

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had the creation of the CIA the Pentagon

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was set up the Department of Defense

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everything went in another direction and

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coming off of World War two and this is

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something that is not talked about a lot

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but I get it which is this world war two

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we had spy versus spy we had double

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agent triple agents we had

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disinformation the art of disinformation

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was everywhere and if you think about

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d-day and and in every technology and

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radio and radar and submarines and and

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ships and planes and jets and things all

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over the world disinformation was was

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everything and the ability to not only

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plant agents with disinfo briefcases

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full of documents happened all the time

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and the art of the deal was figured out

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okay the way that Roswell happened was

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an accident but the way that they dealt

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with Roswell after that was not and

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disinformation and and the way to deal

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with the public on this subject was

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alive and well they got it down to a

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science so and when we went through

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different different reports and

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different studies and different groups

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and and we all know about Project Blue

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Book but there was all kinds of things

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that were going on not only predating

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Bluebook but afterwards it was

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everywhere and what they did was they

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figured out how to through different

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researchers spokespeople authors

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disinformation

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government documents somebody speaking

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to somebody and building trust up so

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they would get some pieces of the truth

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and then they got stuff that was just

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out-and-out fabricated and because the

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UFO community which was vibrant across

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this country vibrant trusted Rachel

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these different researchers and these

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different authors there were UFO books

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and magazines and and movie it was just

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it was everywhere and the disinformation

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came and we didn't know what was what

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and the other play on the disinformation

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on all of this is during the Cold War we

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didn't want Russia to know things so if

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we got disinformation out there on our n

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the Russian remember the spy versus spy

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there was infiltration all over the

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United States we had agents all over

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Europe and into the Soviet Union and not

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only nuclear but it was everything else

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technology was moving forward fast

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things like the transistor and radars

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and ICBMs and defense technology and

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Jets and the sound barrier the space

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race satellites it was all going on at

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the same time so disinformation was was

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the game and they got it down they

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figured it out so today this information

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is distributed so easily when you have

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this is this is one of the big issues

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that I have today the ability to self

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publish a book the ability to distribute

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an e-book is something that we take for

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granted but back in the day you had to

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go to a book store that was obvious you

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had to buy a book today you do not have

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to do that nobody really does anymore so

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the ability to get disinformation out

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there now today is not only easy but

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they have those instruments

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to distribute through and I'm talking

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about people so in in in mass media and

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in the internet today if you have a name

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a name and you don't even have to be in

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ufology just a name and you want to get

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stuff out there you can do it right

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example Keyshia releases an album two

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weeks ago all right no big deal

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normally Keisha says she wrote a song

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because she was out of Joshua Tree and

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saw fleet of UFOs overhead flying saucer

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she wrote a book a boom next thing you

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know has nothing to do she with ufology

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but now she is speaking to who her fans

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write and it goes on and on and you can

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they have got it figured out so today

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how do we trust how do we know what is

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real and what is not there are so many

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cases that are proven proven of

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disinformation in ufology throughout

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history I talk about it all the time and

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that the the list is long people that

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were part of the program and when I talk

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about a MUFON or I talk about other

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researchers or different groups people

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that have been on this show that have

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been fed disinformation this is this is

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all real and I go back to one of the

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most frightening situations that

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happened in modern mythology and that's

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William Bill Moore William Bill Moore

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actually got up at MUFON in Lhasa Bill

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Moore William Moore was the guy that

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revealed Roswell wrote the first book

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got all the information together Jesse

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Marcel wrote the book put it out there

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Roswell hadn't been toxins a talked

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about since 1947 and Bill Moore for for

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the next 10 years

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longer had document after document after

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document reveal reveal reveal book after

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book after book had the insider thing

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and as it turns out he stepped up in

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front of move on and said hey I've been

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a tool I'm a disinfo agent I've been fed

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stuff I've been lying to you

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and he turns around and runs out the

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door before they strung them from the

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nearest tree hasn't been heard from

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since I understand he's a janitor and

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Pennsylvanian lives in a mobile home ok

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that's a real situation it really

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happened the United States Air Force was

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feeding him documents and it go and the

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things that he was involved with in

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ufology that even to today some people

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think that there's something to it and

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the reason why this is important is

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there may be and the disinformation is

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bundled up with real facts right and so

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there's provable things that are there

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mixed in with disinformation him and

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Jamie SH and array a television producer

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here in Burbank California you know and

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I'd listen to an old Bill Moore

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interview and he gives his address for

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his office it's right down the street I

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couldn't believe it I almost want to go

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drive by and see what the office

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building is today but nonetheless right

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here ok major players were involved in

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this including Stanton Friedman he was

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sucked into as well so this information

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continues today that's what we're going

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to discuss tonight with Grant Cameron

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what do the presidents know what does

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the government know and how are they

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dealing with modern ufology right now

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it's going to be an interesting show and

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if you don't think it's going on and if

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you think it's all rosy out there it is

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not this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church

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Kameron Winnipeg Winnipeg Manitoba live

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from Canada he'll be here in just a

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short minute on the game changer number

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10 kg RA the planet I'm your host Jimmy

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Church follow me on twitter ith radio

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I'll be right back with the one and only

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grant Cameron stay right there

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you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to

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can hit one of the chat rooms too as

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well our guest tonight grant Cameron he

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is here tomorrow night Don Schmidt is

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going to be here we're going to talk

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about his book cover up at Roswell it

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was just released Thursday night's

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another failure night with Jon Rappoport

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and his no more fake newsroom live

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followed by open lines but tonight it's

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grant Cameron he's been a UFO researcher

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00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:10,400
since 1975 and he has recognized both at

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the Leeds conference and the

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International International researcher

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of the year and the UFO Congress UFO

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researcher of the year he's a

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world-renowned expert on UFOs

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00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:22,460
conspiracies government cover-ups and

614
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has spent decades watching and

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chronicling developments around the

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extra-terrestrial contact he is also the

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author of Charlie red star tonight we're

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going to discuss government influence

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with whistleblowers insiders and groups

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that deal with UFOs and disclosure in

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modern ufology is website presidential

622
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UFO the links are over at Jimmy Trivette

623
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:47,020
radio.com it's one of the great websites

624
00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:50,180
dealing with the subject of UFOs and I

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00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:52,100
would like to welcome back to fade to

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black

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grant Cameron from the great white north

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grant how are you man just fine Jimmy

629
00:33:02,170 --> 00:32:59,960
it's a pleasure to be on with the man

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with the ultimate radio voice yeah you

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00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:04,040
know what it'll grant check this out

632
00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:08,480
it's been three years man and and and I

633
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:10,190
remember I was hanging out in Los

634
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:12,620
Angeles we had a great time but it's

635
00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:14,090
been three years what have you been up

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00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:14,630
to

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00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:18,830
how's life life is good it's down the

638
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:21,530
rabbit hole still chasing as high level

639
00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:24,770
officials as I can to find out what it

640
00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:26,900
was I saw in 1975 as you mentioned I

641
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:28,280
have this Charlie Red Star book that's

642
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:31,070
just been just being released and it

643
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:32,510
tells the story of how I got dragged

644
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:36,220
down the rabbit hole and at that point

645
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:38,330
nobody would publish the book the the

646
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:41,210
the fact a major publisher in the big

647
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:42,470
city right live which is Winnipeg

648
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:46,399
Manitoba Canada said Mr Cameron you may

649
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:48,260
believe in this kind of stuff count me

650
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:50,270
among the unbelievers and it was at that

651
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,309
point where I said like I really don't

652
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:55,010
care about sightings anymore I it's the

653
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:56,330
most popular book I've got because

654
00:33:59,320 --> 00:33:58,130
people just like to have a good story so

655
00:34:00,909 --> 00:33:59,330
there is a good stories you hear all

656
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,919
these people saw this people saw that

657
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,480
but I really wasn't interested in more

658
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:04,880
all I was interested in was what did I

659
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:07,220
see because I had two very close

660
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:09,080
encounters the first two nights I went

661
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:10,940
out to see whatever he was looking at

662
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:13,580
because this was being publicized all

663
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:15,409
over the place J Allen Hynek was up

664
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:17,270
there National Inquirer was up there

665
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,500
everybody was there trying to find out

666
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:20,560
what was going on in a small town and

667
00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:24,320
all I was interested in is somebody must

668
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:25,899
know I'm just this little guy in Canada

669
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,750
somebody has to know what I saw and

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00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:31,760
that's what I've spent probably my

671
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:33,260
entire career until I got into the

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00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,790
consciousness thing but other than the

673
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:36,159
consciousness thing when it comes to

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00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:41,300
government and what's going on my clear

675
00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:43,339
intention is to get as high level a

676
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:47,000
source as I can to find out so I had my

677
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:53,030
15 seconds of fame in 2001 when Bush won

678
00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:55,399
the White House and they came in and

679
00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:57,080
Dick Cheney went on a radio talk show in

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Washington DC and I knew that he had

681
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:02,180
been Secretary of Defense under Bush

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00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:04,490
Senior he'd been chief of staff for

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00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:07,580
Gerald Ford and when I got through to

684
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:09,050
him on the phone he was in the White

685
00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:11,330
House as the vice president and he was

686
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:13,160
always rumored to be the guy who knew

687
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:14,570
what was going on for example one of the

688
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:16,310
stories was that when they asked Bush

689
00:35:21,849 --> 00:35:18,470
what about UFOs what's the story with

690
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:21,859
UFOs he said ask Cheney so Cheney was

691
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:23,810
always rumored to be the guy who knows

692
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:26,690
so I had my 15 seconds of fame I got on

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00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:28,180
a radio talk show I knew how to get on

694
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:31,310
he was on the first question he took was

695
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:33,410
mine and I said mr. Cheney and all your

696
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:35,330
jobs in government have you ever been

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00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:37,490
briefed on the subject of UFOs if so

698
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,830
when was it and what were you told and

699
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:42,320
what did you say he said if I had been

700
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:43,970
briefed on that subject it would

701
00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:46,070
probably be classified and I wouldn't be

702
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:48,109
talking about it which thrilled me I was

703
00:35:52,089 --> 00:35:49,640
absolutely thrilled it's a perfect

704
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:52,099
answer yes the perfect answer right yeah

705
00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:53,390
it basically confirms that there are

706
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:54,789
people who know what's going

707
00:35:59,999 --> 00:35:57,729
on and because it's classified for

708
00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:00,009
whatever reason whether it's it's to

709
00:36:03,929 --> 00:36:02,739
build weapons or because they for

710
00:36:06,449 --> 00:36:03,939
they're afraid the stock market is going

711
00:36:08,489 --> 00:36:06,459
to meltdown or whatever I wrote a book

712
00:36:11,009 --> 00:36:08,499
called managing magic where I look at

713
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:11,019
this whole thing and I list 64 reasons

714
00:36:15,989 --> 00:36:14,349
where I say you've got to look at why

715
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:15,999
they might be keeping a secret why did

716
00:36:21,569 --> 00:36:19,119
for example Gerald Ford who said if I

717
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:21,579
get in you know he'd know he said if I

718
00:36:25,919 --> 00:36:23,890
was running this thing I would bring up

719
00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:25,929
all the military people and put them

720
00:36:30,929 --> 00:36:29,199
under oath and forced them to testify to

721
00:36:33,209 --> 00:36:30,939
tell us what's going on the answers that

722
00:36:35,099 --> 00:36:33,219
the Air Force is giving are nonsense he

723
00:36:37,169 --> 00:36:35,109
was adamant that he wanted this out and

724
00:36:39,269 --> 00:36:37,179
same with Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter said

725
00:36:41,489 --> 00:36:39,279
if I get elected I will release all the

726
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:41,499
UFO FILES that don't deal with national

727
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:43,390
security to the to the public and

728
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,609
neither of those guys when they got into

729
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:48,160
the White House said a single thing

730
00:36:52,109 --> 00:36:50,859
neither of them ever used the word UFO

731
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:52,119
when they were in the White House now

732
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:53,890
they talked about after the White House

733
00:36:56,549 --> 00:36:55,390
before the White House but when they

734
00:36:59,909 --> 00:36:56,559
were president they never used the word

735
00:37:02,339 --> 00:36:59,919
UFO so I looked at what did they do to

736
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:02,349
switch Carter what did they do to turn

737
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,529
Gerald Ford to go from this rudiment

738
00:37:08,819 --> 00:37:06,640
we're going to get this thing out to

739
00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:08,829
suddenly being totally silent on the

740
00:37:11,819 --> 00:37:10,119
subject so I go to the sixty-four

741
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:11,829
reasons now whatever the reasons are I

742
00:37:16,289 --> 00:37:13,689
believe there are people so I've spent

743
00:37:17,699 --> 00:37:16,299
my time I went after Cheney I went after

744
00:37:20,189 --> 00:37:17,709
the President of the United States so I

745
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:20,199
have the presidency of a website and I

746
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:22,150
every single time there's a rumor story

747
00:37:27,029 --> 00:37:23,890
about the president has said this or he

748
00:37:28,409 --> 00:37:27,039
he there's documents I chase down all

749
00:37:30,329 --> 00:37:28,419
the documents I chase down all the

750
00:37:32,939 --> 00:37:30,339
stories and I wanted to see what is the

751
00:37:34,709 --> 00:37:32,949
most powerful man in the world no and

752
00:37:36,539 --> 00:37:34,719
what is he said about the most important

753
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:36,549
subject in the world and I found out

754
00:37:40,019 --> 00:37:38,650
interesting things like three of the

755
00:37:40,499 --> 00:37:40,029
presidents actually confirmed this was

756
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,509
real

757
00:37:44,999 --> 00:37:42,640
they actually did like a disclosure and

758
00:37:50,429 --> 00:37:45,009
nobody paid any attention to it and I

759
00:37:54,059 --> 00:37:50,439
chased people like a kid green former

760
00:37:56,009 --> 00:37:54,069
CIA guy who was brought in when I was

761
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,019
doing my investigation back in the early

762
00:38:00,659 --> 00:37:58,079
days because when I had the sightings

763
00:38:01,919 --> 00:38:00,669
nobody would publish the book then I

764
00:38:02,759 --> 00:38:01,929
said well the Canadian government I'll

765
00:38:04,229 --> 00:38:02,769
see what the Canadian government

766
00:38:05,819 --> 00:38:04,239
somebody gave me a lead all the Canadian

767
00:38:07,769 --> 00:38:05,829
government had a program so I chased the

768
00:38:08,009 --> 00:38:07,779
Canadian government all this sort of

769
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:08,019
stuff

770
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:08,710
confirmed

771
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:10,510
yes the Canadian government was deeply

772
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:13,990
involved from 1950 1954 that led to the

773
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:15,190
former president of Penn State

774
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:17,770
University had 14 honorary Doctorate

775
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:19,540
degrees was a chairman of the board of

776
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,309
the Institute for Defense analysis which

777
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:23,680
is the group that basically formed DARPA

778
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,930
and the Jason's and all these sort of

779
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:28,240
like Illuminati type scientific groups

780
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:31,900
and chased him around and he led us to

781
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:33,490
the White House because he had worked

782
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:36,190
for President Eisenhower and so these

783
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:39,550
are the type of people that when I hear

784
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:42,010
that these people are talking about the

785
00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:43,450
subject I pay very close attention

786
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:46,359
because basically what it comes down to

787
00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:48,130
is there's lots of people who are

788
00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:50,319
claiming they know what's going on so

789
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:53,020
you take a look at it you say what need

790
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:55,180
to know what these people have so my

791
00:39:00,809 --> 00:38:56,970
intention was to go as high as you can

792
00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:00,819
to the most powerful people and when

793
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:03,220
they are talking forget about whether

794
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:04,750
it's information or disinformation the

795
00:39:08,819 --> 00:39:06,970
question is why are they talking and

796
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:08,829
what are they saying because they are

797
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:10,300
the high-level people and they the key

798
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:11,950
person and we were talking a bit about

799
00:39:15,539 --> 00:39:14,260
before the show the key person that I'm

800
00:39:18,359 --> 00:39:15,549
following right now is a guy by the name

801
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:18,369
of dr. Ronald Pandolfi and Ronald

802
00:39:22,289 --> 00:39:20,380
Pandolfi is rumored to be the guy who's

803
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:22,299
breathed the last six presidents on UFOs

804
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:24,910
he's sort of like a seen to be like a

805
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:28,510
see a liaison in the intelligence

806
00:39:33,569 --> 00:39:31,180
community to the UFO communities dealt

807
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:33,579
with I've identified over two dozen UFO

808
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:35,140
researchers that he's sort of dealt with

809
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,420
and we know for a fact that he's very

810
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:42,400
high level because as you know I've

811
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:43,900
recovered the Rockefeller initiative

812
00:39:47,609 --> 00:39:45,609
documents from the Clinton White House

813
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,619
when Laurance Rockefeller went to the

814
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:49,420
White House I filed an FOI with the

815
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:51,460
White House when they were still before

816
00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:53,410
they actually moved the files to the

817
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:56,020
library and I recovered this thousand

818
00:39:59,339 --> 00:39:57,400
pages of documents back and forth

819
00:40:01,079 --> 00:39:59,349
between Rockefeller and a science

820
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:01,089
adviser so Rockefeller never got to the

821
00:40:05,789 --> 00:40:03,490
president but he did get to the science

822
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:05,799
advisor and then Hillary was moving the

823
00:40:08,579 --> 00:40:07,780
documents from the science advisor all

824
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:08,589
the documents are going through

825
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,799
Hillary's office because she was the

826
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:13,599
plausible deniability everything in the

827
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:15,400
UFO field deals with plausible

828
00:40:21,329 --> 00:40:17,220
deniability you want to cover

829
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:21,339
who knows what because the president is

830
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:22,450
the Wizard

831
00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:24,520
the president is running this cover-up

832
00:40:28,589 --> 00:40:27,150
so when Rockefeller is going to the

833
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,599
White House

834
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:30,160
he couldn't get involved with the

835
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,720
president because the president is not

836
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,760
involved with UFOs the president is not

837
00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:35,680
involved with Russia the president is

838
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:37,660
not involved with iran-contra the

839
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:39,430
president is not is an idiot he doesn't

840
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:41,349
know anything about anything

841
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:42,760
he knows everything but when it's a bad

842
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:44,650
story the president has plausible

843
00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:46,540
deniability he doesn't know anything he

844
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:48,280
was never involved he's never and that's

845
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:49,780
what happened with with Bill Clinton

846
00:40:52,859 --> 00:40:51,400
Bill Clinton always claimed I didn't

847
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,869
know what's going on I wasn't involved

848
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:54,430
and when you see the Rockefeller

849
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:56,740
initiative documents you see that

850
00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:58,390
Hillary the documents are going through

851
00:41:02,040 --> 00:40:59,500
Hillary's office there's an actual

852
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:02,050
document that details this and for 20

853
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:03,250
years I couldn't figure out like why

854
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:04,630
would be going through Hillary's office

855
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:06,520
and the key was that Hillary wasn't a

856
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:08,470
government official so Hillary would

857
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:10,089
take the documents at night and go to

858
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,730
Bill and say Rockefeller says this what

859
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,560
do you want to say back and so the

860
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:17,200
plausible deniability thing but during

861
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:20,470
that when Rockefeller first announced

862
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:21,430
that he was going to come to the White

863
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:24,810
House he was a powerful guy billionaire

864
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:28,030
gave money to the Clinton campaigns and

865
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,470
stuff like that they had to deal with

866
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:32,079
him so when they heard he was coming the

867
00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:34,270
science adviser asked for a UFO briefing

868
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:35,319
and this isn't the rockefeller

869
00:41:41,339 --> 00:41:38,500
initiative documents and that briefing

870
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:41,349
was tasked to the CIA and it was given

871
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:44,890
to dr. Ronald Pandolfi this is 1993 this

872
00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:48,010
is like 24 years ago and he's the

873
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:49,180
briefer to the president he's the

874
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:51,460
briefer to the White House the story is

875
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:53,890
that he began in 1983 under Ronald

876
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:56,170
Reagan as a graduate student physicist

877
00:42:03,690 --> 00:41:59,290
PhD physicist again friends with Reagan

878
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:03,700
and has been the key guy that that

879
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,050
interacts with the president

880
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,119
he's rumored to be one of three people

881
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:10,240
that briefed the Donald Trump on the UFO

882
00:42:14,849 --> 00:42:12,040
situation he was he briefed him with

883
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:14,859
James woolsley if you remember Steven

884
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:16,930
Greer talking about James woolsley who

885
00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:18,730
was the first CIA director for Bill

886
00:42:23,339 --> 00:42:21,220
Clinton James woolsley was in on the

887
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:23,349
briefing from what I'm told

888
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,510
and a guy by name of Mike Pillsbury and

889
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:27,930
this was a what it was called a soft

890
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:30,700
like a software briefing so it's the

891
00:42:35,790 --> 00:42:34,180
sort of the philosophical part of the

892
00:42:36,329 --> 00:42:35,800
UFO phenomena then there's a hardware

893
00:42:38,729 --> 00:42:36,339
briefing

894
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:38,739
that's like the mj-12 type group and

895
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:40,210
well let me let me ask you this really

896
00:42:45,150 --> 00:42:42,249
quick was that during the transition or

897
00:42:46,469 --> 00:42:45,160
resist after he was sworn in no this is

898
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,479
during the transition this was in

899
00:42:51,209 --> 00:42:48,880
December what I was told by Dan Smith

900
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:51,219
who is the guy all the material is

901
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:54,609
leaked - and that's Ron Pandolfi sort of

902
00:42:58,829 --> 00:42:56,950
best friend it's he's his best man at

903
00:43:02,009 --> 00:42:58,839
his second wedding Godfather to his

904
00:43:05,999 --> 00:43:02,019
child and what when I heard well what

905
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:06,009
happened was that I know if you are

906
00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:09,640
familiar with a guy named Robert Collins

907
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:12,279
Robert Collins was a guy who was an Air

908
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:15,880
Force scientist was involved in 1980s

909
00:43:20,849 --> 00:43:19,150
would Bill Moore and the Avery if you

910
00:43:22,979 --> 00:43:20,859
remember this girl yes one of these guys

911
00:43:25,049 --> 00:43:22,989
okay so he puts out a message this is

912
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:25,059
where I first got alerted to this was he

913
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,430
put out a message on January the 6th I

914
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:30,160
think it was of this year during the

915
00:43:35,069 --> 00:43:31,630
transition period and say I just got a

916
00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:35,079
call from an email from my good friend

917
00:43:39,269 --> 00:43:36,849
dr. Ronald Pandolfi who got me an

918
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:39,279
interview with the CIA and he said Trump

919
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:42,700
is open to disclosure and is against

920
00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:44,890
this information so immediately I

921
00:43:49,499 --> 00:43:47,769
started to I knew that Ron Pandolf uses

922
00:43:52,349 --> 00:43:49,509
key guy I've been chasing him for years

923
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,359
written about him numerous times and so

924
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:53,920
I started to contact all the people I

925
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:55,630
knew who knew Ron Pandolfi and say do

926
00:43:59,759 --> 00:43:57,640
you know what this is about what what's

927
00:44:02,190 --> 00:43:59,769
this message about that Ron is talking

928
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:02,200
about Clinton or Trump being open to

929
00:44:05,729 --> 00:44:03,700
disclosure and against this information

930
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:05,739
nobody would talk except Dan Smith Dan

931
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:07,930
Smith said oh yeah I'm talking about on

932
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,700
my blog here's my phone number give me a

933
00:44:15,209 --> 00:44:12,400
call so I phoned about but I said was

934
00:44:17,759 --> 00:44:15,219
Trump free he said yes as far as I know

935
00:44:21,299 --> 00:44:17,769
he was briefed Ron who he's talked to

936
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:21,309
every day for 26 years said to him that

937
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:23,380
he dealt he was with Trump almost every

938
00:44:27,749 --> 00:44:26,380
day during December and that the the

939
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:27,759
briefing did take place these three

940
00:44:31,499 --> 00:44:29,710
people briefed it but again as plausible

941
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:31,509
deniability because as soon as that came

942
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:34,630
out Steve Bassett found out about it so

943
00:44:39,479 --> 00:44:37,569
Steve phones up Ron Pandolfi and said

944
00:44:41,489 --> 00:44:39,489
did you brief Trump and Ron says no I

945
00:44:43,499 --> 00:44:41,499
didn't brief em and it's this plausible

946
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:43,509
deniability so way it works and this is

947
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:45,880
always a plausible deniability Ron will

948
00:44:50,289 --> 00:44:48,609
tell me indirectly through somebody or

949
00:44:52,299 --> 00:44:50,299
he'll go through Dan Smith

950
00:44:54,939 --> 00:44:52,309
he will put the material out and Dan

951
00:44:56,949 --> 00:44:54,949
Smith says I have to listen so I listen

952
00:44:58,959 --> 00:44:56,959
you'll only repeat something once and

953
00:45:02,259 --> 00:44:58,969
he'll drop something and if I pick it up

954
00:45:04,809 --> 00:45:02,269
I pick it up if I don't and he will deny

955
00:45:07,329 --> 00:45:04,819
everything that I have said about him in

956
00:45:10,959 --> 00:45:07,339
26 years so it basically you're not

957
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:10,969
allowed to tape Ron Pandolfi you're not

958
00:45:16,989 --> 00:45:15,049
allowed to reproduce his emails but you

959
00:45:18,759 --> 00:45:16,999
can say anything you want about him in

960
00:45:20,019 --> 00:45:18,769
terms of what he said because it's all

961
00:45:22,059 --> 00:45:20,029
plausible deniability he will deny

962
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,069
everything that said like for example in

963
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:23,599
the in the managing magic book I talked

964
00:45:27,459 --> 00:45:25,609
at great length about him in managing

965
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:27,469
magic he's never made a comment about

966
00:45:31,449 --> 00:45:30,140
about what I have said and if you ask

967
00:45:31,809 --> 00:45:31,459
him about anything that I say in the

968
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,819
book

969
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,920
he'll just say no it's all wrong he made

970
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:35,839
it all up he's this kind of stuff and

971
00:45:40,089 --> 00:45:37,849
that's basically how they work this

972
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:40,099
thing but here's a guy who I firmly

973
00:45:49,179 --> 00:45:44,689
believe is one of the key guys that is

974
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:49,189
part of this operation that I believe to

975
00:45:53,769 --> 00:45:51,859
do small d-- disclosure there is going

976
00:45:55,689 --> 00:45:53,779
to be no disclosure I've been told by

977
00:45:57,759 --> 00:45:55,699
all the inside people that I know there

978
00:45:59,919 --> 00:45:57,769
will be no disclosure they are not going

979
00:46:01,959 --> 00:45:59,929
to commit suicide on national TV well

980
00:46:05,979 --> 00:46:01,969
how can you trust how can you trust what

981
00:46:07,479 --> 00:46:05,989
Ron says though it means well it could

982
00:46:09,249 --> 00:46:07,489
be down to Hootie who do you listen to

983
00:46:10,839 --> 00:46:09,259
it's not who would you trust everybody's

984
00:46:12,609 --> 00:46:10,849
in the same boat whether you're

985
00:46:14,709 --> 00:46:12,619
listening to some guy on the street

986
00:46:17,169 --> 00:46:14,719
who's got a good story that he had this

987
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:17,179
experience or he's he's a CIA guy's

988
00:46:21,669 --> 00:46:19,880
ex-cia and he had all these everybody's

989
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:21,679
in the same boat you really don't know

990
00:46:26,049 --> 00:46:23,089
whether they're telling the truth

991
00:46:29,769 --> 00:46:26,059
the fact is who is a guy we can actually

992
00:46:31,989 --> 00:46:29,779
clear clarify and and spell out who Ron

993
00:46:33,999 --> 00:46:31,999
Pandolfi is he is a high-level

994
00:46:36,999 --> 00:46:34,009
intelligence author same as the second

995
00:46:40,359 --> 00:46:37,009
guy is Jim semi van and Jim semi van

996
00:46:42,689 --> 00:46:40,369
wrote the foreword to Tom DeLonge second

997
00:46:45,009 --> 00:46:42,699
book and I knew about Jim semi van

998
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,019
before he went to Tom DeLonge he's only

999
00:46:49,059 --> 00:46:47,359
been with Tom DeLonge since April of

1000
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:49,069
last year Tom DeLonge started to make

1001
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,569
this this noise that he had these

1002
00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:53,119
high-level sources and Tom DeLonge does

1003
00:46:57,429 --> 00:46:55,400
have the sources he has and that's all

1004
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,439
it comes down to is is do they have

1005
00:47:00,910 --> 00:46:58,640
these sources are these high-level

1006
00:47:02,859 --> 00:47:00,920
sources legitimate sources are they

1007
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:02,869
connected to the government so it's who

1008
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:04,100
you're listening to it's not really

1009
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:07,220
what they're saying so yeah Jim semi van

1010
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:10,250
writes the the foreword to Tom's alongs

1011
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:10,670
book

1012
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,710
he's running Tom belongs operation from

1013
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:14,960
what I'm told he's the head guy and he

1014
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:16,490
was a briefer for the President of the

1015
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:18,470
United States this we know for sure he's

1016
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:20,870
a high high level not a

1017
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:21,800
counterintelligence

1018
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:23,870
he's an intelligence officer and a

1019
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:26,060
senior intelligence officer who briefs

1020
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:28,700
the president so when you get Pandolfi

1021
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,170
is briefing the president and you get

1022
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:32,720
semi van I don't care you're gonna have

1023
00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:34,610
to weed through everybody's story and

1024
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:37,580
and weigh this in way that these guys

1025
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:40,490
are in the White House these are key

1026
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,920
people and I was shown by one guy who

1027
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:45,920
sort of sort of alerted me to Jim semi

1028
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:48,680
van the way I got introduced was he said

1029
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,630
oh here's a look at this and he shows me

1030
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:51,920
this thing on his phone it looks like a

1031
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,920
medal and like I've got a medal for the

1032
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:57,020
like a limp exhorting I go oh that's

1033
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,760
pretty cool where'd you get that from he

1034
00:48:02,050 --> 00:48:00,560
said I can't tell you where I I can't

1035
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:02,060
tell you what it is I could just tell

1036
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:03,980
you where I got it from and he flips the

1037
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,050
phone and there's a a mailing envelope

1038
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:09,440
from Camp David and Camp David is not

1039
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,970
the White House Camp David is the

1040
00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:13,040
President of the United States and so

1041
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,760
then this guy basically says the top guy

1042
00:48:22,330 --> 00:48:19,760
his main man is in Washington that turns

1043
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:22,340
out to be Jim semi van so I've seen

1044
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:24,170
enough evidence that indicates that this

1045
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:26,990
is a direct contact to the President of

1046
00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:28,250
the United States and that's what you

1047
00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:30,680
want you want a guy like Cheney a guy

1048
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:31,820
like the president so when the president

1049
00:48:36,730 --> 00:48:34,850
talks everybody better be listening and

1050
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:36,740
what people are doing that I think is a

1051
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:38,570
mistake is their chasing good stories

1052
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:40,250
somebody's telling a good story about

1053
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,960
what's happening on other planets or

1054
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,240
whatever and the key thing when Ron

1055
00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:46,880
Pandolfi he's actually having these

1056
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:48,590
meetings that I described you before

1057
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:50,600
he's actually having go to meetings on

1058
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:53,060
the internet and he's arranged this sort

1059
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:55,700
of thing and there are only 15 people

1060
00:49:01,360 --> 00:48:59,090
who show up his wife his second wife her

1061
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:01,370
name is Ali hoppin Dolphy is running

1062
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:03,170
this thing and you can go on there and

1063
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:05,390
if you think it's disinformation you can

1064
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:06,530
ask the question is this disinformation

1065
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:10,130
you can ask what's going on and they're

1066
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:12,710
basically doing this and it's 15 people

1067
00:49:17,350 --> 00:49:15,110
so this is a disinformation operation

1068
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:17,360
it's not going very well because there's

1069
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:18,140
only 15

1070
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:20,750
watching and so to me it all comes down

1071
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:23,089
to who is your source I've spent my

1072
00:49:27,819 --> 00:49:25,190
entire life trying to find the highest

1073
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:27,829
level source there is and listen very

1074
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:29,690
carefully those people not listen to

1075
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,640
good stories find the high-level source

1076
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:33,200
and listen carefully to what they're

1077
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,130
saying and people aren't listening

1078
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:36,079
there's only 15 people showing up and

1079
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:38,150
this guy is doing this out in the open

1080
00:49:43,089 --> 00:49:41,630
let me ask you this grant how many you

1081
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:43,099
brought up Bill Moore and I brought a

1082
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:45,410
bill more my opening rant on the show

1083
00:49:51,309 --> 00:49:47,960
how many how many bill Moore's do you

1084
00:49:54,279 --> 00:49:51,319
think are effectively running right now

1085
00:49:57,099 --> 00:49:54,289
in ufology today that are being fed you

1086
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,109
know half-truths disinformation from

1087
00:50:01,450 --> 00:49:59,839
official government sources oh I think

1088
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:01,460
there's they're feeding everybody as I

1089
00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:03,230
said I've got read list of 24 people

1090
00:50:07,509 --> 00:50:05,750
that Ron is is is dealing with right i I

1091
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,519
never want to put in a difference of

1092
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:08,960
nation what they're doing according to

1093
00:50:14,859 --> 00:50:11,740
what I'm told is it's always going to be

1094
00:50:16,539 --> 00:50:14,869
the half true half false thing right

1095
00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:16,549
that when if you would like for example

1096
00:50:21,759 --> 00:50:19,160
Jim Church is a CIA guy right and you

1097
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,769
saved holiday you saved LA from some

1098
00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:23,690
nuclear disaster and nobody knows about

1099
00:50:26,499 --> 00:50:24,859
it and you say well you know I really

1100
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:26,509
like my grandchildren to know what the

1101
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:29,089
hell I did and then they say okay here's

1102
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:29,750
how it works

1103
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:32,089
chase Brandon prime example right you go

1104
00:50:37,299 --> 00:50:35,630
to go to them and you say okay I want to

1105
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:37,309
do this book on UFO chase Brandon's

1106
00:50:41,049 --> 00:50:39,170
fascinated with UFOs so he does two

1107
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:41,059
books one a Roswell one on UFOs which

1108
00:50:45,009 --> 00:50:42,710
still hasn't been released and they say

1109
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:45,019
okay it has to be read by the CIA so it

1110
00:50:48,759 --> 00:50:46,910
gets reviewed two to eight times it goes

1111
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,769
through the CIA and say okay this is

1112
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:50,000
classified you've got to change the

1113
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:51,410
location you got change this name you

1114
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:53,210
change that you change this and you

1115
00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:55,160
fictionalize the thing you can put it

1116
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,329
out but you got a fictionalized thing

1117
00:50:59,319 --> 00:50:57,440
and that's what they're doing is they're

1118
00:51:01,359 --> 00:50:59,329
they're controlling the stories it's a

1119
00:51:03,579 --> 00:51:01,369
climatization because if you want it to

1120
00:51:05,799 --> 00:51:03,589
the school if you wanted to disclose

1121
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,809
you'd go to New York Times in the

1122
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:08,480
Washington Post in CNN and Fox News and

1123
00:51:12,099 --> 00:51:10,609
you would take them to see the bodies

1124
00:51:14,049 --> 00:51:12,109
and the crafts and then you'd have a

1125
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:14,059
news conference that's what you do if

1126
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,140
you're disclosing so they're not

1127
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:17,599
disclosing and if you wanted to cover-up

1128
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:19,640
you do what the other 200 countries in

1129
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,470
the world are doing is you just shut up

1130
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:23,599
and it's quit talking about the United

1131
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:25,460
States of America is the only country in

1132
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:27,529
the world where there are leakers and

1133
00:51:32,059 --> 00:51:30,049
whistleblowers and and this kind of

1134
00:51:34,339 --> 00:51:32,069
stuff in Canada I've been

1135
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:34,349
this business for 42 years and because I

1136
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:36,150
do the u.s. stuff I always get asked by

1137
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:38,609
US people well which is the own Canada

1138
00:51:42,859 --> 00:51:40,890
and the answer is always the same I have

1139
00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:42,869
no idea I don't even know if anybody's

1140
00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:45,630
even working on UFOs until last year

1141
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,749
when when Paul Hellyer told a dramatic

1142
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:50,819
story but other than that I say I mean I

1143
00:51:53,509 --> 00:51:52,049
didn't mean working on UFOs because

1144
00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:53,519
they've never talked about it that's how

1145
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:54,989
you make the story go away that's how

1146
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:56,609
you cover it up you just shut up and

1147
00:52:00,469 --> 00:51:57,900
quit talking about it right but you

1148
00:52:01,609 --> 00:52:00,479
can't say that you're going to did

1149
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,619
you're covering up and then you're

1150
00:52:06,469 --> 00:52:04,140
sending people out as they did in the

1151
00:52:07,999 --> 00:52:06,479
1970s because imagine managing magic if

1152
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:08,009
people think there's a cover-up then I

1153
00:52:12,259 --> 00:52:10,410
say you got to explain this 1969 the US

1154
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,269
Air Force and the US government shut

1155
00:52:15,979 --> 00:52:14,400
down Blue Book they say there's nothing

1156
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:15,989
to this no national security

1157
00:52:21,259 --> 00:52:19,049
implications no proof of ETS

1158
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,269
not interested in the subject and you

1159
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:23,579
shut it down you never have to talk

1160
00:52:26,359 --> 00:52:24,839
about it again you never have to put

1161
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:26,369
anybody out in front of the press to

1162
00:52:29,989 --> 00:52:28,170
explain UFO sighting you can just shut

1163
00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:29,999
up and this story will go away forever

1164
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:33,809
so in 1973 they contact my friend Bob

1165
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,940
ham and Egger who's a film producer was

1166
00:52:41,299 --> 00:52:38,400
a vice president for grabber sizing in

1167
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:41,309
Los Angeles doing ads those friends with

1168
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:44,130
Nixon's people and they say we'd like

1169
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:45,900
you to do these eight documentaries on

1170
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:47,819
different sort of things for the for the

1171
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:50,190
US military three-d holography and

1172
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:52,049
working with dolphins and stuff and he's

1173
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:53,670
a very skeptic on and then they say Oh

1174
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,529
we'd like to and then we'd like you to

1175
00:52:59,029 --> 00:52:57,839
do a UFO documentary and we'd like you

1176
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:59,039
to hide it under the other eight

1177
00:53:03,439 --> 00:53:01,319
documentaries and Bob went you mean this

1178
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:03,449
is for real and they said what would you

1179
00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:04,680
say if we told you that there was a

1180
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:06,029
landing at Holloman Air Force Base in

1181
00:53:08,839 --> 00:53:07,170
May of 1971

1182
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,849
and the aliens landed we filled them

1183
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:10,619
from three different vantage points and

1184
00:53:14,269 --> 00:53:12,180
we would give you the film for your

1185
00:53:15,469 --> 00:53:14,279
documentary and then it would receive a

1186
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:15,479
quarter million dollars from the

1187
00:53:19,219 --> 00:53:17,130
MacArthur Foundation to do this

1188
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:19,229
documentary and they put it out why are

1189
00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:22,589
you feeding stuff to gray advertising

1190
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:24,150
and putting out a documentary where

1191
00:53:28,099 --> 00:53:25,380
you're putting up a hat a quarter of a

1192
00:53:29,029 --> 00:53:28,109
million dollars when if you just shut up

1193
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:29,039
it would go away

1194
00:53:33,019 --> 00:53:30,599
all you're doing is throwing fuel on the

1195
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:33,029
fire and as I point out in managing

1196
00:53:38,839 --> 00:53:35,729
magic they have been throwing fuel on

1197
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:38,849
the fire since 1945 they've been

1198
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,890
dropping these things even the first

1199
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:43,680
sighting by a key Kenneth Arnold the

1200
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:45,180
very first sighting if this is a

1201
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:45,780
cover-up

1202
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,330
why would they show Kenneth Arnold to

1203
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,000
photographs and provide him to eight by

1204
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:53,520
eleven photographs of UFOs that look

1205
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:55,290
like gun camera place like close-up

1206
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:57,810
flying saucers and try to convince him

1207
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,660
that these are real photographs taken by

1208
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:02,460
the 4th Air Force they've been doing

1209
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:04,200
this over and over they fed Disney they

1210
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,090
fed all sorts of people but what it is

1211
00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:08,640
it's it's a control thing because you

1212
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:10,590
can't spill the milk once you spill the

1213
00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:12,990
milk it's over you can't put it back in

1214
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:14,700
and they're so afraid of all the things

1215
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:17,220
that that can happen so that's why

1216
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:18,690
they're doing this gradual thing and

1217
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:21,060
they're being the story and what you see

1218
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:22,740
Oh as you go through the years that the

1219
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:24,300
vast majority of things that we believe

1220
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,780
are stuff that was fed to us by the US

1221
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:30,480
government and they dropped it and and

1222
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:33,480
they covered it as they did near 51

1223
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:37,020
story which is the prime example well

1224
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,790
there's what and that's the other thing

1225
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:40,920
and we'll pick up on this after the

1226
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:44,480
break but they also make friends with

1227
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,900
egos right and you know you know because

1228
00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:51,780
you know you want to be famous you know

1229
00:54:56,570 --> 00:54:54,030
we can help you make some money here's

1230
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:56,580
some secret stuff and and they make

1231
00:55:02,960 --> 00:54:59,880
friends and and and everybody wants to

1232
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,970
have the inside friend and everybody

1233
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:05,760
wants to be liked and that they are

1234
00:55:11,570 --> 00:55:09,750
talented at doing just that not only in

1235
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,580
ufology but anything that they want to

1236
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:14,280
infiltrate right yeah you have to what

1237
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,750
they're doing is they're managing the

1238
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:17,460
story they're not really throwing people

1239
00:55:22,310 --> 00:55:20,730
off it's like it's like Hollywood the

1240
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,320
Hollywood is going to do movies about

1241
00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:24,240
the CIA whether they like it or not so

1242
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:25,560
you can either go there and think that

1243
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:27,180
you're going to try to stop them from

1244
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,890
doing movies or you're going to try to

1245
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,480
move them in the direction you want to

1246
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:31,920
move them and the prime thing we were

1247
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:33,750
talking about ego I say they're all have

1248
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:35,610
these massive egos I I talk about the 5

1249
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:37,140
messiahs and you're talking about Bill

1250
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:39,390
Moore the line that hip Bill Moore was

1251
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:41,010
one of the smartest guys I ever met

1252
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:42,750
really good researcher the way they

1253
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:45,390
hooked him was he got a phone call when

1254
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,130
he started the he was one that made

1255
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:49,020
Roswell famous right so he starts the

1256
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:50,070
book on Roswell

1257
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:51,750
he goes on the book tour he gets a phone

1258
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:53,430
call after the show they say this guy

1259
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:55,050
wants to talk to you and the guy says

1260
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:56,220
you're the only guy knows what you're

1261
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,690
talking about and of course bill Moore

1262
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,940
said yeah that's true

1263
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,940
right no second phone call from Offutt

1264
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:04,859
Air Force Base and the second guy says

1265
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:05,880
you're the only guy knows what you're

1266
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,710
talking about and that was the hook and

1267
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:09,599
he took the hook and they all take the

1268
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:11,550
hook they have massive egos and that's

1269
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:14,070
how you can can move them and you need

1270
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:16,020
them and a ego to run through this sort

1271
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:18,060
of thing because the an average guy is

1272
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,500
going to walk away as soon as he gets

1273
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:21,420
into some sort of headwind he's going to

1274
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,430
walk away but guys like more or Tom

1275
00:56:27,859 --> 00:56:26,640
DeLonge or dance method these people

1276
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:27,869
they actually believe they're there

1277
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,510
they've been called to bring disclosure

1278
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:33,440
to the world so they're very easily

1279
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:35,849
moved along and they are being held but

1280
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,470
they are being as I said they're being

1281
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:39,960
managed and you have to manage the story

1282
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:41,910
well we're going to take a break here

1283
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,450
and and when we come back we're going to

1284
00:56:50,359 --> 00:56:48,900
let's visit some some modern things but

1285
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:50,369
I think we need to talk about history

1286
00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:52,650
too at the same time because it's

1287
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:54,060
repeating itself

1288
00:56:59,780 --> 00:56:56,609
absolutely it's absolutely repeating

1289
00:57:02,780 --> 00:56:59,790
itself and it's it's frightening to see

1290
00:57:05,060 --> 00:57:02,790
how effective it is it is done and those

1291
00:57:06,349 --> 00:57:05,070
out there knew followed you today those

1292
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:06,359
that are buying the books and

1293
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:08,010
researching and listening to this show

1294
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:10,830
they don't know anymore and it's really

1295
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:14,220
tough to separate reality from fiction

1296
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:16,470
and that's what we'll discuss next our

1297
00:57:20,359 --> 00:57:18,660
guest tonight the one and only grant

1298
00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:20,369
Cameron the state of black our meals to

1299
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:22,830
be church on the game-changing network

1300
00:57:27,740 --> 00:57:25,410
in kgr a the planet we'll be right back

1301
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:27,750
stay with us

1302
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:31,690
[Music]

1303
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:33,090
[Applause]

1304
00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:39,590
[Music]

1305
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:42,600
this is day 2 black with Jimmy Church on

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Jimmy chat hi this is Ray sobs here

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your host Jimmy church tonight our guest

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grant Cameron we're discussing the

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know this is what I find interesting and

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I want to I want to go back and forth

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here I want to go back into history and

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I want to stay on topic with today Tom

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DeLonge who I respect has been a guest

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on this show and and he and I believe

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that he believes in his message I

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respect him and he's a talent but he's

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also a player in pop culture he's very

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influential and could he be with all of

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his stuff that is out in front of him

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and his his government insiders and the

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places that he has been as a could he is

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he being played I mean how do we how do

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we get rust and he's about to make this

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big announcement right and this is gonna

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play out here how do we how does he

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trust what advice would you give him

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01:02:55,330 --> 01:02:52,100
well he's again he's like Bill Moore

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01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:55,340
bill Moore had 24 sources and Tom

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:57,560
DeLonge has about 10 sources and the

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:02:58,610
number of these sources have been

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identified already and they are the

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people that they says they are so he is

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he is being managed to get out the

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:09,050
message they want to get out so there's

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certain aspects certain things they want

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to get out but they're mixing it with

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his message this is one of the problems

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the only but the only problem I have

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with Tom DeLonge is Tom of course

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01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:19,220
believes in the evil alien thing the

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greys are bad guys and we need

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:23,880
use you know nukes to take them out and

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:25,770
this sort of thing and he's got these

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:28,170
high-level sources and yet you have

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Steven Greer who Tom DeLonge started

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01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,630
with by associating with Steven Greer

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01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,460
Steven Greer claims to have the same

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sort of high-level sources he claims to

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have now like almost a thousand sources

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and they're all good aliens and so what

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I'm saying is that they will manage you

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in terms of they want you to get the

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01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:48,660
message but I don't think they're really

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01:03:56,029 --> 01:03:54,150
telling anybody what the the sort of the

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01:03:58,279 --> 01:03:56,039
insight because I think in a lot of ways

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:03:58,289
they really don't know what the inside

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01:04:00,980 --> 01:03:59,730
message is and let me give you an

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example

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Jim semi van who I mentioned who I say

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is running a Tom DeLonge operation this

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retired CIA and he wasn't briefed on the

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01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:10,170
subject until he retired so once he's

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01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:11,579
retired then he's sort of like in the

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:13,859
black CIA is under under contract and

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01:04:19,339 --> 01:04:16,890
he's an experiencer he this guy had the

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01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:19,349
beans in his room in the 1990s I heard

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01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:21,270
the story from one of his friends who

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01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:23,730
did sort of a detailed version but he's

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an experience here which is very

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01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:27,059
important that he's not a guy who's

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going to be sort of trying to throw

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01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:30,960
people off he wants the story out but

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which is what he said I am very much

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aware particularly with regard to the

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phenomenon that this measured and linear

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01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:40,319
approach is arguably laughable that's

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the scientific approach that we're going

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to measure and figure out you know how

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01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,200
big and small or how fast it moves

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01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:48,720
whatever how do you make sense of any of

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it when there does not appear to be any

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there there the phenomena seems to work

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on another level consciousness

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dimensions unknown to our science and he

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said that when he had his experience in

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1990 it shattered his view of reality so

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01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:04,890
what I would say is that when it comes

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to the experiment they really don't know

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01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,039
that much about the phenomena in fact

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01:05:15,170 --> 01:05:12,960
Ron Pandolfi had made a statement to Dan

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Smith because we can't control the

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phenomena and and and watch the

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phenomena we watch the people who the

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:23,220
phenomena affects so I don't think they

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01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:24,930
know that much but in terms of getting

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01:05:31,099 --> 01:05:28,950
out the idea that yes this is for real

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Lockheed skunkworks is working on this

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and the important message that I say

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that that tom is going to put out the

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same

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I've been putting out since 2012 is this

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consciousness message so when he I think

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01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:44,700
he did on your show when he's talking he

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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:47,430
says he gets in he gets that to Lockheed

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01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:50,370
he's on on area 51 base he's talking to

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01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:53,310
the head scientist and to Robert Weiss

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01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:55,650
who's the head of Lockheed skunkworks

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and they are having his meeting with him

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he's ready to leave then they say where

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you go and sit down how do you think to

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01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:03,720
get here and Tom starts this theory and

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01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:04,920
he says oh that's pretty good idea it

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01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:07,140
might work and what else he says I think

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01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:09,240
conscious is involved and we're live

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01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:12,390
yeah he brought up religion too well but

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01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:14,910
that's what tom is bringing that in Tom

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01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:16,950
says that he had this idea this is this

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01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:19,050
evil alien thing that they're affecting

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01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:21,000
our religion and stuff but he had that

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01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,560
idea before he went into Lockheed

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01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:24,240
skunkworks and he believes that because

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he he hit the nail on the head with the

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evil alien that they went along with him

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01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:30,060
right as I said it doesn't make any

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01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:31,710
sense because Steven Greer is saying the

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01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:33,030
same thing except he's saying there's no

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01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:34,620
evil aliens are all good aliens right so

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01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:36,330
I don't think they really Thomas

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01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:38,190
bringing that in but it was when he said

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01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:40,440
consciousness he said at that point the

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01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:43,260
head scientist at Lockheed said now

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01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:45,450
you're talking right and all he wanted

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:47,070
to talk about for 45 minutes was

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:49,050
consciousness and that's what I say is

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:51,690
the key message that that you know I

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01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:53,850
hope Tom gets out and that is the idea

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01:06:58,610 --> 01:06:56,910
that consciousness is the basis of this

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01:07:00,250 --> 01:06:58,620
whole thing it's going to be a lot less

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01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:00,260
physical and people think it is

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:02,670
consciousness is the ground of being you

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01:07:06,350 --> 01:07:04,890
do not have particles physical until you

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01:07:08,810 --> 01:07:06,360
have consciousness consciousness is

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01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:08,820
primary physical is secondary and that

1523
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,270
is the mistaken equation if you remember

1524
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:14,220
gen Hartson talking about again he's

1525
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,430
talking in 1993's at UCLA the lecture

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01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:19,740
been rich Roy then the president of

1527
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:21,270
Lockheed skunkworks is given the lecture

1528
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:23,370
and he shows the slide of the flying

1529
01:07:28,070 --> 01:07:26,010
saucer the last slide and he says we now

1530
01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:28,080
have the technology to take e.t home and

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:30,540
everybody in the audience laughs Jan is

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01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,010
an experienced who had this experience

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01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,680
at 9 or 10 years old with his brother 30

1534
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,480
feet away from this UFO in the backyard

1535
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:38,460
on a Saturday morning and he's

1536
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:40,440
fascinated he's obsessed with UFOs he

1537
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,910
becomes an electrical engineer and he

1538
01:07:46,310 --> 01:07:44,640
realizes this is his chance and so as

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01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:46,320
Ben is answering questions at the end

1540
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,790
and Ben says we've discovered the

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01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:49,200
mistake in the equation

1542
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:50,790
and the key is what is the mistaken

1543
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:52,950
equation what is the thing that they got

1544
01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:54,510
wrong and I'm saying it's consciousness

1545
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:56,820
is this idea consciousness so he goes to

1546
01:08:01,040 --> 01:07:59,010
Ben Ben's leaving the building and he

1547
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,050
said Ben I've been fascinated with UFOs

1548
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,599
my entire life I need to know how do

1549
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,339
they get here how does a propulsion

1550
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:07,680
system work and Ben turns around and

1551
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:10,710
says let me ask you a question what do

1552
01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:13,170
you nobody SP that's non-local

1553
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,550
consciousness what do you nobody has B

1554
01:08:19,519 --> 01:08:17,279
and Jan says it means everything in time

1555
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,529
and space is connected and Ben said

1556
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:21,600
that's how it works walks out of the

1557
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:22,910
building and drives away

1558
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:25,770
two years before that we're dealing I'm

1559
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:27,210
chasing the highest level source I can

1560
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:29,100
get at that time we're talking to dr.

1561
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:30,930
Eric Walker this high-level guy who

1562
01:08:36,650 --> 01:08:33,390
invented the co-develop indented the

1563
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:36,660
homing torpedo sonograms all those kind

1564
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:40,850
of stuff expert in underwater stuff

1565
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:43,620
we're asking him about mj-12 the control

1566
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:43,980
group

1567
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:47,130
still Americans there's still 12 people

1568
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:49,680
he says let me ask you a question when

1569
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:51,900
you know buddy SP versus two years

1570
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:53,400
before been rich what do you nobody has

1571
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:56,520
P and he said and then the guy who

1572
01:08:59,959 --> 01:08:57,630
didn't never the answer he said look

1573
01:09:02,300 --> 01:08:59,969
unless you understand about ESP and how

1574
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,310
it works you will not be taken in by the

1575
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:04,739
control group very few people understand

1576
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:07,020
how it works and the Canadian said it in

1577
01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:09,000
1950 when they asked the Americans

1578
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,589
there's a top-secret Kinane government

1579
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,380
document November of 1950 where the

1580
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,880
Canadians are reporting back in a

1581
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:16,319
top-secret document what they were told

1582
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:18,450
by the Americans about flying saucers

1583
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,859
everybody quotes the first four lines

1584
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,600
flying saucers we were told by the

1585
01:09:24,979 --> 01:09:23,759
Americans flying saucers exist it's most

1586
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:24,989
highly classified subject the United

1587
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:26,850
States there's a small group headed by

1588
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,440
dr. Vannevar Bush trying to figure out

1589
01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:30,420
the modus operandi and it's of

1590
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:32,009
tremendous significance to the Americans

1591
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,930
the very next line in the document says

1592
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:35,279
and we were also told by American

1593
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:37,710
officials this is November of 1950 right

1594
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:39,330
at the beginning we're also told by

1595
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:41,250
American officials that other things may

1596
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,810
be associated with the flying saucers

1597
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:44,880
such as mental phenomena and the

1598
01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:46,049
Americans aren't doing very well because

1599
01:09:48,979 --> 01:09:47,969
they said if the Canadians are working

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01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:48,989
on it they're willing to exchange

1601
01:09:53,329 --> 01:09:51,660
credentials and talk to us so it's that

1602
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:53,339
part of the thing we're Tom DeLonge he's

1603
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:55,410
going to put this story out so he's

1604
01:09:59,780 --> 01:09:56,940
being managed Steven Greer is being

1605
01:10:01,490 --> 01:09:59,790
managed all these major people same with

1606
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:01,500
Bill Moore bill Moore was getting the

1607
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:02,970
material what Bill Moore was told

1608
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:05,820
you're beginning by the Falken he's told

1609
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:08,250
he said we are going to feed you

1610
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:10,950
material and it's going to be partly

1611
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:13,320
true and partly false and it's up to you

1612
01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:16,020
to separate the wheat from the chaff and

1613
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:18,180
of course when you have an ego you say

1614
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,540
no problem whatever these five messiahs

1615
01:10:27,230 --> 01:10:23,340
that I talk about whether it's Greer or

1616
01:10:28,730 --> 01:10:27,240
DeLong or or Bill Moore they say yeah I

1617
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:28,740
can separate I could separate the wheat

1618
01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:30,330
from the chaff I'm a smart guy and I

1619
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:31,620
know how to weed this stuff out and

1620
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:33,030
that's the way they're doing it is

1621
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,620
partly true and Bill was told read the

1622
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:35,760
beginning it's going to be partly true

1623
01:10:39,650 --> 01:10:38,400
probably false and sup to you to

1624
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,660
separate the wheat from the chaff so

1625
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,280
that's how they're how they're doing it

1626
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:43,920
and the stories gradually unravel and

1627
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:45,990
you mentioned for example that they

1628
01:10:49,460 --> 01:10:47,790
repeat this stuff and they do repeat

1629
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:49,470
this stuff over and over again I'm

1630
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:51,480
always asked when it comes to

1631
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:53,070
whistleblowers what about Phil Corso

1632
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:55,350
what do you think about Phil Corso and I

1633
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:58,140
always say bill Corso occurred on the

1634
01:11:01,970 --> 01:11:00,420
50th anniversary of Roswell that's when

1635
01:11:03,650 --> 01:11:01,980
he came forward and he did have the high

1636
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:03,660
level positions but he did have some

1637
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:05,910
weird mistakes and in the stuff he was

1638
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:08,880
putting out so the thing was he said I

1639
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:13,830
was in this office under Trudeau who was

1640
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:16,620
the head of army Science and Technology

1641
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:19,320
and I found this stuff in a filing

1642
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,920
cabinet

1643
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:21,480
okay so he tells the story found this he

1644
01:11:25,340 --> 01:11:23,460
found that the filing cabinet they drop

1645
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:25,350
this stuff into the into the military

1646
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:27,540
and they developed this technology based

1647
01:11:30,260 --> 01:11:28,710
upon the stuff he found on the filing

1648
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:30,270
cabinet that's the 50th anniversary of

1649
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:32,310
Roswell on the 65th anniversary of

1650
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:34,950
Roswell Brandon the liaison for

1651
01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:38,340
Hollywood from the CIA the second most

1652
01:11:42,230 --> 01:11:40,200
powerful Persei to be able to speak

1653
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:42,240
publicly on behalf of the CIA without

1654
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:44,490
getting permission comes forward on the

1655
01:11:48,380 --> 01:11:46,680
65th anniversary of Roswell and his is

1656
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:48,390
in a filing cabinet he changes the story

1657
01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:50,820
he said well I was in Langley and I was

1658
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:52,350
waiting for a film crew to come and I'm

1659
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:54,990
in the M in the need library area and I

1660
01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:56,760
found this archive box where they vine

1661
01:12:01,250 --> 01:11:59,250
emptied some guys desk right and in this

1662
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:01,260
box I find this stuff that confirms

1663
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,870
Roswell was real it was extraterrestrial

1664
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:05,280
and there were bodies I'm not going to

1665
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:06,780
tell you what was in the box but I'll

1666
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:09,030
tell you that this is this is what I saw

1667
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:10,710
so it's the same story all they're doing

1668
01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:12,780
is changing up a filing cabinet to an

1669
01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:16,780
archives box and then the third one is

1670
01:12:22,649 --> 01:12:19,960
17th anniversary this year the story is

1671
01:12:24,839 --> 01:12:22,659
told put out by Ron Pandolfi through Dan

1672
01:12:27,209 --> 01:12:24,849
Smith that Donald Trump was given what

1673
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,219
they call a goodie bag and he's not

1674
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:28,719
interested in outer space so they give

1675
01:12:33,149 --> 01:12:30,340
him this to sort of entertain him and

1676
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:33,159
he's given these small pieces of UFO

1677
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:35,289
hardware that he can share with the

1678
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:36,369
captains of industry

1679
01:12:40,919 --> 01:12:38,590
it's that same story so he has a 50th

1680
01:12:42,779 --> 01:12:40,929
anniversary 65th anniversary the 17th

1681
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:42,789
and they recycle his story and they're

1682
01:12:46,799 --> 01:12:45,070
basically giving this idea that we are

1683
01:12:48,209 --> 01:12:46,809
feeding this stuff into the American

1684
01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:48,219
industry and that's how it works if you

1685
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,739
watch DARPA which is the agency that

1686
01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:52,719
will be controlling the subject each

1687
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:55,239
project manager in DARPA has a budget

1688
01:12:59,549 --> 01:12:58,090
between 100 and 150 million dollars the

1689
01:13:01,950 --> 01:12:59,559
total budget is three billion dollars

1690
01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:01,960
just research and development and so

1691
01:13:13,229 --> 01:13:07,420
basically they can basically put this

1692
01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:13,239
material out and the story gets out but

1693
01:13:16,049 --> 01:13:14,469
you're not able to confirm it which is

1694
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:16,059
this plausible deniability thing that

1695
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:17,650
that is always at the base of this whole

1696
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,000
thing well I'll tell you something

1697
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:21,760
interesting about DARPA and Sandia today

1698
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,250
their focus nearly completely is on the

1699
01:13:32,370 --> 01:13:29,679
brain interfacing and consciousness

1700
01:13:35,069 --> 01:13:32,380
everything that they are working on now

1701
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:35,079
is completely focused on that for a lot

1702
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:38,409
of different reasons but also it could

1703
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:45,730
be just this the big reason did I lose

1704
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:46,050
you

1705
01:13:53,879 --> 01:13:50,159
yeah I usually repeat that again Oh

1706
01:13:56,939 --> 01:13:53,889
DARPA right now and Sandia National Labs

1707
01:13:59,279 --> 01:13:56,949
are completely focused on consciousness

1708
01:14:01,620 --> 01:13:59,289
and brain interfacing with computers I

1709
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,630
mean that that's all of their budget is

1710
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,239
completely focused right there yeah and

1711
01:14:07,919 --> 01:14:06,400
and you do have if you know the story if

1712
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:07,929
you know if you've interviewed Annie

1713
01:14:13,919 --> 01:14:10,150
Jacobson yet on her latest book called

1714
01:14:15,089 --> 01:14:13,929
phenomenon yeah a phenomenon if you look

1715
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:15,099
at the people that she names

1716
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:17,800
it's that same guys it's John Alexander

1717
01:14:23,939 --> 01:14:21,360
it's helped put off its KITT green it's

1718
01:14:25,259 --> 01:14:23,949
jacques ballet it's all the same you

1719
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:25,269
have ho guys they're into this whole

1720
01:14:29,310 --> 01:14:26,710
thing because it's called in the sea is

1721
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:29,320
called phenomenology it's not it's it's

1722
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:30,610
not UFOs and that

1723
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:32,530
why I called it managing magic it's all

1724
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:34,420
connected the UFO and the psychic

1725
01:14:38,609 --> 01:14:36,250
phenomena and one of the guys is running

1726
01:14:41,220 --> 01:14:38,619
around now is KITT green and before Ryan

1727
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:41,230
Pandolfi ran the weird desk at the CIA

1728
01:14:47,939 --> 01:14:44,949
from 1983 KITT green ran it from 69 to

1729
01:14:50,129 --> 01:14:47,949
83 and KITT green is running around if

1730
01:14:54,030 --> 01:14:50,139
you follow any Jacobsen if you go to her

1731
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:54,040
book read between page 394 and 400 she

1732
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:55,840
talks about KITT green dealing with

1733
01:15:00,209 --> 01:14:57,850
experiences who have been injured he's

1734
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:00,219
dealing with not experiences and with

1735
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:02,290
people who are highly psychic and

1736
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:04,810
they're looking at their DNA patterns

1737
01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:07,690
and they're looking at with this Gary

1738
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,780
Nolan at the Stanford University and

1739
01:15:17,490 --> 01:15:13,840
they're doing MRIs and they say that all

1740
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:17,500
experiences have a certain gene

1741
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:19,780
structure that appears to be there from

1742
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:22,690
birth and they also have a brain pattern

1743
01:15:27,959 --> 01:15:25,690
that they call the antenna and it is the

1744
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:27,969
same sort of pattern that they get with

1745
01:15:31,229 --> 01:15:29,650
experiences now KITT Green is running

1746
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:31,239
around telling people this story so

1747
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:33,369
again is this disinformation or why skip

1748
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:34,750
green telling the story they're

1749
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:36,250
basically putting this out the story I

1750
01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:38,530
was told by another source that the new

1751
01:15:42,689 --> 01:15:40,989
kid Green was the kid Green if you're an

1752
01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:42,699
experiencer and john Evander's talked

1753
01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:44,350
about this if you have like 10%

1754
01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:46,900
experiences to people who've interacted

1755
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:48,190
with the beings and been on board the

1756
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,110
craft or whatever if you have it in the

1757
01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:51,360
public you're going to have 10%

1758
01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:55,000
experiences in the government and if you

1759
01:15:58,740 --> 01:15:56,590
have those experiences what I was told

1760
01:16:01,439 --> 01:15:58,750
is that they send you to kid green and

1761
01:16:03,959 --> 01:16:01,449
Kate green does the MRI he's a he's a

1762
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,969
doctor and he he puts you through all

1763
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:05,679
these different tests to see are you

1764
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:09,010
crazy are you delusional or are you an

1765
01:16:13,379 --> 01:16:10,719
experienced here because he knows the

1766
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:13,389
UFO thing he worked on it for 69 to 83

1767
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:18,520
and he knows his connection to the UFO

1768
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:21,070
phenomena and he's working on this thing

1769
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:22,449
as well I mean they're doing this brain

1770
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:24,010
patterns they're doing these brain

1771
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:25,900
imaging stuff and they're working with

1772
01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:28,449
experiencers and I know one who's who's

1773
01:16:33,899 --> 01:16:31,590
part of the program and Burroughs and

1774
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:33,909
Penniston these guys have said openly

1775
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:35,830
that they're part of this program their

1776
01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:37,570
DNA has been tested their brain patterns

1777
01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:39,940
emit tested and so this stuff is going

1778
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,760
on and it's going on probably in the

1779
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:44,320
black world but KITT Green is

1780
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:45,760
very open about this stuff so that's

1781
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:47,920
another guy that when kid green starts

1782
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,369
talking about this this kind of material

1783
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,199
you got a whether it's disinformation or

1784
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,360
information this is a very high-level

1785
01:17:00,540 --> 01:16:58,000
guy talking and the question is why is

1786
01:17:03,629 --> 01:17:00,550
he talking and what is he saying and and

1787
01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:03,639
and when we talk about Greer and and the

1788
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:07,000
long we got to talk about Corey good too

1789
01:17:14,939 --> 01:17:12,190
as well I agree r8 of it just released a

1790
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:14,949
movie major Hollywood studio backing the

1791
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:17,920
movie I was there at the premiere there

1792
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:21,489
is a certain money machine that that

1793
01:17:26,970 --> 01:17:23,560
Grier is running and I get that I fully

1794
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,980
understand it I don't oppose it but and

1795
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:29,199
and DeLong is doing the same thing he's

1796
01:17:33,870 --> 01:17:30,880
tied in with Hollywood he's got his

1797
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:33,880
agency and his and his agents and his

1798
01:17:37,979 --> 01:17:35,650
producers and people that are working

1799
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:37,989
with him too so now you have a money

1800
01:17:42,689 --> 01:17:40,570
machine that is going along you know

1801
01:17:45,419 --> 01:17:42,699
it's the books it's the movies and and

1802
01:17:49,229 --> 01:17:45,429
and they're getting fed information to

1803
01:17:54,510 --> 01:17:49,239
continue and they is it is it a weakness

1804
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:54,520
to not having discernment and ignoring

1805
01:17:59,850 --> 01:17:57,730
what could be real and what is not to

1806
01:18:03,120 --> 01:17:59,860
feed the Machine and the government

1807
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:03,130
knows that they are going to output this

1808
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:06,880
stuff into the public in a in a grand

1809
01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:10,540
scale it seems like it's it's perpetual

1810
01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:14,260
machine that is feeding itself well it's

1811
01:18:18,419 --> 01:18:15,940
it they're feeding it the same as

1812
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:18,429
they're feeding new stories on every

1813
01:18:22,830 --> 01:18:20,770
subject to major media they're

1814
01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:22,840
controlling all the stories all the

1815
01:18:26,669 --> 01:18:24,820
spins on all the stories even like the

1816
01:18:28,169 --> 01:18:26,679
United States myth I mean the United

1817
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:28,179
States is a great country and this and

1818
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:30,790
whatever and this is the the government

1819
01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:33,010
writes to history it writes the history

1820
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:34,840
books it writes the whole thing and the

1821
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:38,020
media just sort of repeats what it is so

1822
01:18:42,419 --> 01:18:40,810
yeah they are they are being fed this

1823
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:42,429
kind of stuff but what the problem I

1824
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:44,710
have is when we have we go to the evil

1825
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:47,230
government thing because I know a number

1826
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,650
of Tom DeLonge sources I am familiar

1827
01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:52,239
with these people I've dealt with these

1828
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,150
people and two of them the the two that

1829
01:19:00,760 --> 01:18:58,400
that I know fairly well are

1830
01:19:02,860 --> 01:19:00,770
Semmy van and a high-level guy from NASA

1831
01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:02,870
and both these guys are experiences and

1832
01:19:06,910 --> 01:19:04,940
I know that when you start to deal with

1833
01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:06,920
these people at high levels in the

1834
01:19:10,150 --> 01:19:08,030
government these people that are feeding

1835
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:10,160
this stuff they're just like you and I I

1836
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:12,050
mean they have family problems they have

1837
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:13,850
stuff that falls apart

1838
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:15,410
Ron's trying to put this thing out he's

1839
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:17,810
only got 15 people at his GoToMeeting

1840
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:20,800
and they're just ordinary people that

1841
01:19:25,540 --> 01:19:23,090
especially if their experiences and this

1842
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:25,550
high level Nassau guy I remember he had

1843
01:19:28,030 --> 01:19:26,690
a companies he sold for a hundred

1844
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:28,040
million dollars I know how much the

1845
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:30,260
invention was that he got through this

1846
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:31,970
being but he said I'll tell you what

1847
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:34,130
grant the night when I got this idea

1848
01:19:37,630 --> 01:19:35,930
when I woke up that morning the last

1849
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:37,640
thing I remember the night before was a

1850
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:39,140
hooded figure staying at the end of the

1851
01:19:42,850 --> 01:19:40,940
bed and of course I asked the question

1852
01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:42,860
well could you see the face and he

1853
01:19:46,030 --> 01:19:44,240
answered exactly what every experience

1854
01:19:47,650 --> 01:19:46,040
you will say no I couldn't see the face

1855
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:47,660
if you have a hooded being you can't see

1856
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:50,510
the face and so here's a high-level NASA

1857
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:52,610
guy who's introduced me to a number of

1858
01:19:56,380 --> 01:19:54,260
experiencers who's not really on the

1859
01:19:57,970 --> 01:19:56,390
record but you have these people that

1860
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,980
are in the government and I really don't

1861
01:20:01,360 --> 01:19:59,840
believe so much in the evil guys like

1862
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:01,370
where it's like Dick Cheney like we get

1863
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:03,710
up every morning or George Bush that we

1864
01:20:09,130 --> 01:20:07,250
get up every morning and we look at our

1865
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:09,140
grandchildren's pictures and stuff boom

1866
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:10,370
we got to figure out how to destroy the

1867
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:12,080
world here we got a they all believe

1868
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:13,520
they're saving the world same as Steven

1869
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:14,690
Greer believes you saved in the world

1870
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:16,190
Tom DeLonge believes you save in the

1871
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:17,540
world I believe I'm saving the world you

1872
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,770
believe there's you save in the world

1873
01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:20,960
and people are delusional but I don't

1874
01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:22,580
think there's anybody who's literally

1875
01:20:25,930 --> 01:20:24,860
going to say we're going to destroy the

1876
01:20:28,540 --> 01:20:25,940
world they're doing it for a reason

1877
01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:28,550
we've got a counterintelligence for

1878
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:30,140
example the Benowitz thing

1879
01:20:33,070 --> 01:20:31,820
the famous Benowitz tour all they went

1880
01:20:35,290 --> 01:20:33,080
after Benowitz and they drove him nuts

1881
01:20:36,580 --> 01:20:35,300
whatever will Benowitz if you look at

1882
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:36,590
what he was doing

1883
01:20:43,690 --> 01:20:40,400
bennewitz was describing ufos over the

1884
01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:43,700
Manzano weapons storage area Manzano

1885
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:45,470
weapons storage area was the biggest

1886
01:20:49,870 --> 01:20:47,690
repository of nuclear weapons in the

1887
01:20:51,850 --> 01:20:49,880
world well if somebody saying there's

1888
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:51,860
UFOs over the nuclear weapons

1889
01:20:57,010 --> 01:20:54,320
that's a classified issue we don't want

1890
01:20:59,770 --> 01:20:57,020
that we have to stop that story so yeah

1891
01:21:02,740 --> 01:20:59,780
they will they they will run you if you

1892
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:02,750
get into energy stuff or nuclear weapons

1893
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:04,550
stuff the kind of stuff that they really

1894
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:06,530
don't want out but the basic story from

1895
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:07,910
what I've determined the people that

1896
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:09,670
I've dealt with and I've dealt with

1897
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:12,110
indirectly with Ron with

1898
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:13,730
and Smith and stuff like this to just

1899
01:21:17,169 --> 01:21:15,050
ordinary people they're just they're

1900
01:21:19,870 --> 01:21:17,179
just trying to do something or when we

1901
01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:19,880
had dr. Eric Walker at one point he said

1902
01:21:24,220 --> 01:21:22,429
why should he got very angry at one

1903
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:24,230
point he said he's yelled into the phone

1904
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:25,280
because he didn't really want to talk

1905
01:21:27,370 --> 01:21:26,570
about the subject said I don't talk

1906
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:27,380
about this subject

1907
01:21:29,859 --> 01:21:28,730
leave it alone there's nothing to do

1908
01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:29,869
about it unless you have the mind of

1909
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:31,670
Einstein you're not going anywhere go

1910
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:33,409
study something else and then he said

1911
01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:36,409
look you just want this for your own

1912
01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:39,500
curiosity isn't that right why should we

1913
01:21:44,379 --> 01:21:42,199
change the rules to satisfy your

1914
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,389
curiosity and when he said that I went

1915
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:47,360
rules there's actually rules so when we

1916
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:49,610
chased this guy for eight years I would

1917
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:51,050
head to this team of eight people that

1918
01:21:54,340 --> 01:21:53,060
chase this guy and I did an interview

1919
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:54,350
Mary said I can get him to talk it's

1920
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,670
okay here's his neighbor's phone number

1921
01:21:58,660 --> 01:21:57,199
and all these researchers from around

1922
01:22:00,370 --> 01:21:58,670
the world tried to get Walker to talk

1923
01:22:01,870 --> 01:22:00,380
and some of them managed to get him to

1924
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:01,880
talk about a little bit of this or that

1925
01:22:05,919 --> 01:22:04,310
at the end of his life we knew that he

1926
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,929
had a file on us because what he would

1927
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:07,280
do is he would take one of the letters

1928
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:09,110
one of the researchers had sent him he

1929
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:10,730
would photocopy it you'd send it to one

1930
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:12,110
of those researchers with some comments

1931
01:22:16,959 --> 01:22:14,150
and he did this guy stuff we knew he had

1932
01:22:18,910 --> 01:22:16,969
a file and at the end of his life when

1933
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:18,920
he died I went to Penn State University

1934
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,380
and to all his presidential files he was

1935
01:22:25,209 --> 01:22:23,600
the president there for 16 years I went

1936
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:25,219
there and I had a conversation with his

1937
01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:27,380
with his son who was a medical doctor

1938
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:29,780
and his son confirmed yes there was a

1939
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:32,420
UFO file and it was in the house and

1940
01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:34,369
when he moved the stuff to Penn State

1941
01:22:39,970 --> 01:22:36,830
University that file was no longer there

1942
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,980
which meant that he saluted he did what

1943
01:22:43,209 --> 01:22:41,600
he believed was right and at the end he

1944
01:22:44,649 --> 01:22:43,219
destroyed the file or hand it back to

1945
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:44,659
the government because it was classified

1946
01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:46,730
he wasn't supposed to or when kit green

1947
01:22:49,629 --> 01:22:48,590
goes and this is where you got to

1948
01:22:50,530 --> 01:22:49,639
realize that these people are just

1949
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:50,540
ordinary people

1950
01:22:55,209 --> 01:22:53,030
when I I respect Bill more because Bill

1951
01:22:57,070 --> 01:22:55,219
Moore was one of the few people when in

1952
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:57,080
the 1980s when I was working on this who

1953
01:22:59,979 --> 01:22:58,850
believed the Walker story that there was

1954
01:23:02,470 --> 01:22:59,989
something said I don't really believe

1955
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:02,480
the Walker is who you say is is highly

1956
01:23:05,859 --> 01:23:04,489
significant but I've got a guy I'm going

1957
01:23:07,780 --> 01:23:05,869
to send to talk to him and we'll find

1958
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:07,790
out what's going on I'm going to send BJ

1959
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:11,030
and BJ was the Blue Jay BJ was dr. KITT

1960
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:13,250
green who ran the weird desk of the CIA

1961
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:14,719
who reached the President of the United

1962
01:23:18,850 --> 01:23:16,730
States three different presidents he

1963
01:23:20,589 --> 01:23:18,860
sent up to dr. Eric Walker and they

1964
01:23:24,010 --> 01:23:20,599
talked about the Glomar Explorer because

1965
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:24,020
Walker was a underwater expert and so

1966
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:25,850
was KITT Greene involved with the globe

1967
01:23:29,380 --> 01:23:27,590
our Explorer the Howard Hughes ship

1968
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:29,390
where they recovered the the rest of

1969
01:23:33,730 --> 01:23:31,370
submarine they talked for half an hour

1970
01:23:35,380 --> 01:23:33,740
and all good old times to the CIA and

1971
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:35,390
about this recovery and whatever and

1972
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:38,090
KITT green sated as soon as he brought

1973
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:39,980
up the UFO subject Walker started

1974
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:42,230
yelling and screaming and looking at

1975
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,820
books in a corner to sort of indicate

1976
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:45,920
the room is being bugged and he said

1977
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:48,050
you're not the president I don't have to

1978
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:49,610
talk to you I don't have to tell you

1979
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:51,770
anything and that's the whole thing that

1980
01:23:57,670 --> 01:23:54,230
was my experience after 42 years is

1981
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:57,680
whether it's Cheney saying if this was

1982
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,800
for if this subject existed it would be

1983
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:02,000
classified I wouldn't be talking about

1984
01:24:07,540 --> 01:24:04,510
it or when they talk to Bush for example

1985
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:07,550
Kimmel has Bush senior on there a couple

1986
01:24:11,890 --> 01:24:09,950
months back and he says the bush okay

1987
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:11,900
when you got there what did you what did

1988
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:14,000
you what did you do and he said you know

1989
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:15,560
my daughter my daughter's asked me the

1990
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:19,010
same question and then he said well what

1991
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:20,410
about you would you tell your daughters

1992
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:22,010
nothing I can't

1993
01:24:25,780 --> 01:24:23,720
I'm not going to say anything he's not

1994
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:25,790
saying anything I'm not saying nothing

1995
01:24:29,710 --> 01:24:28,010
so here you have the president playing

1996
01:24:31,810 --> 01:24:29,720
by the rules there are these rules and

1997
01:24:35,190 --> 01:24:31,820
these people for whatever reason believe

1998
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:35,200
that they're under classified

1999
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:37,310
restrictions they're not going to talk

2000
01:24:41,710 --> 01:24:38,930
about it they play the rules they salute

2001
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:41,720
they do the noble thing and there's it's

2002
01:24:47,740 --> 01:24:45,170
how you can run major programs like the

2003
01:24:49,630 --> 01:24:47,750
stealth 10,000 people and not one single

2004
01:24:51,130 --> 01:24:49,640
leak or the atomic bomb where you have

2005
01:24:52,990 --> 01:24:51,140
whatever two hundred thousand people

2006
01:24:55,150 --> 01:24:53,000
working on a sonic bomb and not one

2007
01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:55,160
single because most people are patriotic

2008
01:24:58,900 --> 01:24:57,140
Americans who will do their job who

2009
01:25:00,610 --> 01:24:58,910
really don't have the answers but when

2010
01:25:02,350 --> 01:25:00,620
they have something that's classified

2011
01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:02,360
they will keep it classified which makes

2012
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,830
me very suspicious of single

2013
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:05,600
whistleblowers somebody who comes out

2014
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:09,290
and says I'm out here and I am telling

2015
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:11,690
you the story because to me if you leak

2016
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:13,250
this thing you're going to jail unless

2017
01:25:17,740 --> 01:25:15,110
you are being set up by the government

2018
01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:17,750
there's nobody running around who is

2019
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,020
telling the story because you even go

2020
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:22,880
back to Bob Lazar Bob Lazar has a story

2021
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:25,310
where he was talking about it and then

2022
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:27,650
somebody shot his car and and tried to

2023
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:30,050
kill him let me tell you if the CIA

2024
01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:32,090
wants you dead you're dead in 29 minutes

2025
01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:34,340
they are not going to miss and anybody

2026
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:36,440
who's walking around and saying I'm an

2027
01:25:39,850 --> 01:25:38,930
ex-cia guy and I'm telling all this

2028
01:25:42,729 --> 01:25:39,860
classified material

2029
01:25:44,620 --> 01:25:42,739
and there's nothing CIA can do to stop

2030
01:25:45,790 --> 01:25:44,630
me they will they will stop people who

2031
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:45,800
are leaking classified material so

2032
01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:48,650
anybody who's out there I think is under

2033
01:25:52,450 --> 01:25:50,780
some sort of control that they're being

2034
01:25:54,189 --> 01:25:52,460
given true material you can tell your

2035
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,199
story but we're going to manage the

2036
01:25:59,800 --> 01:25:57,199
story and we're going to cloak it with

2037
01:26:02,200 --> 01:25:59,810
material or we're going to put it

2038
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:02,210
through an environment where people are

2039
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,440
going to really take it seriously like

2040
01:26:10,419 --> 01:26:06,080
the Bob the Bob Lazar the area 51 that

2041
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,429
story was intended for John Lear because

2042
01:26:14,859 --> 01:26:13,040
John Lear in 1988 was running around

2043
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,869
with all sorts of weird stories about

2044
01:26:19,149 --> 01:26:16,880
underground shootouts and you know

2045
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:19,159
people being killed underground and they

2046
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:20,719
don't go to the light when you die

2047
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:21,679
because the aliens are going to take

2048
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:23,510
their soul to the moon John is a nice

2049
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:24,080
guy

2050
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:26,510
John is is tells the truth he says what

2051
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:28,010
he believes but he had some weird ideas

2052
01:26:32,859 --> 01:26:31,280
in 1989 conference MUFON conference they

2053
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:32,869
took away took away from him because he

2054
01:26:36,609 --> 01:26:33,770
was were going to bring in these weird

2055
01:26:39,939 --> 01:26:36,619
speakers so John was the intended target

2056
01:26:42,879 --> 01:26:39,949
of area 51 Bob Lazar was feeding him the

2057
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:42,889
material and from notes December of 1988

2058
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:48,770
to April April of 2008 e-9 the story the

2059
01:26:53,890 --> 01:26:51,320
area 51 story went nowhere it went out

2060
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:53,900
of control when suddenly George Knapp

2061
01:26:59,140 --> 01:26:57,290
was missing a guest on one evening show

2062
01:27:01,479 --> 01:26:59,150
and he phoned up John Lear and he said

2063
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:01,489
you said you had this guy from area 51 I

2064
01:27:05,410 --> 01:27:03,770
need a guest for tonight bring your guy

2065
01:27:07,419 --> 01:27:05,420
on let's put him on TV and they back

2066
01:27:09,850 --> 01:27:07,429
lighted them you know now it's no longer

2067
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:09,860
John Lear telling the story wacko John

2068
01:27:14,260 --> 01:27:12,560
Lear now it's Emmy award-winning George

2069
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:14,270
Knapp telling the story and it went

2070
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:16,100
viral and suddenly had hundreds of

2071
01:27:19,570 --> 01:27:18,170
people up overlooking the base and

2072
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:19,580
looking down on the base and stuff like

2073
01:27:23,530 --> 01:27:21,260
that and they actually had to Bill

2074
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,540
Clinton actually to take more land a way

2075
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:25,520
to force the people back from the base

2076
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,920
because it got viral went out of control

2077
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:29,600
so what they do is they leak it not only

2078
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:31,670
people with eagle but people who have

2079
01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:34,130
problems with their reputation that they

2080
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:35,900
know like Bob Lazar was missing the two

2081
01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:38,239
degrees he had a bad resume and they

2082
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:39,980
knew give him the story he goes out he

2083
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,630
tells the story and as soon as ever he

2084
01:27:44,530 --> 01:27:42,800
finds out he doesn't have the two

2085
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:44,540
masters degrees that he's claiming the

2086
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:46,460
story is going to go down and every is

2087
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:47,630
going to say it's a hoax because that's

2088
01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:48,530
what happens in the UFO community

2089
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:50,750
everybody says the new story comes out

2090
01:27:53,210 --> 01:27:52,340
the latest video the latest story

2091
01:27:54,710 --> 01:27:53,220
everybody Ryan

2092
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:54,720
and then somebody yells hoax and

2093
01:27:58,340 --> 01:27:56,250
everybody runs for the hills and

2094
01:28:00,320 --> 01:27:58,350
everybody thinks the answer is in the

2095
01:28:02,630 --> 01:28:00,330
next story that's coming up the answer

2096
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:02,640
is already there when and that's why

2097
01:28:05,630 --> 01:28:04,110
it's so easy to set up people because

2098
01:28:06,020 --> 01:28:05,640
everybody's always looking for the next

2099
01:28:08,150 --> 01:28:06,030
story

2100
01:28:09,890 --> 01:28:08,160
and when the next video gets leaked by

2101
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:09,900
them or the next story gets leaked

2102
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:12,120
everybody jumps on it and the story goes

2103
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:14,790
around and then somebody else finds out

2104
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:17,310
the problem with that versus reputation

2105
01:28:19,970 --> 01:28:19,050
or something about the person but it

2106
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:19,980
doesn't mean the person is telling

2107
01:28:24,860 --> 01:28:22,710
that's lying it's the fact that they use

2108
01:28:26,630 --> 01:28:24,870
certain people to kick to carry the

2109
01:28:28,670 --> 01:28:26,640
message because again if you want it

2110
01:28:30,710 --> 01:28:28,680
disclosed if you want the story to come

2111
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:30,720
out clean you go to the New York Times

2112
01:28:35,570 --> 01:28:33,450
and The Washington Post and CNN and Fox

2113
01:28:37,340 --> 01:28:35,580
News they don't want it out clean they

2114
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:37,350
want it to sort of come out and no you

2115
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,090
don't know what to believe that's the

2116
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,040
way they wants a story release we'll

2117
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:42,960
take a break right here grant camera

2118
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,650
take a breath grant tick around our

2119
01:28:50,210 --> 01:28:48,600
guest and I grant Cameron this is fade

2120
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:50,220
to black hi Meryl signatures we'll be

2121
01:28:56,940 --> 01:29:06,690
[Music]

2122
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:09,340
way out here we listen to Jimmy

2123
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:11,930
Churchill you're listening to fade to

2124
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:15,440
black always on the edge of the hottest

2125
01:29:19,090 --> 01:29:18,290
alternative talk chilly church with fade

2126
01:29:27,340 --> 01:29:19,100
to black

2127
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:27,350
k GRA radio.com Martinez he would on

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you're listening to me church this is

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revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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so darkness is playing the game he's

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pushing this sort of stuff out and then

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you even have like people say oh and the

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president discloses then I'll believe it

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and I say I'm actually going to write an

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01:33:01,990 --> 01:32:58,340
article right now where I say the

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01:33:04,630 --> 01:33:02,000
president may have Declassified the UFO

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01:33:06,970 --> 01:33:04,640
and Roswell story if you remember a

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01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:06,980
couple weeks ago Donald Trump there was

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a story about him talking about the

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they're no longer going to fund this

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Syrian rebel group and that was a black

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01:33:20,410 --> 01:33:17,360
operation and the stories went around

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01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:20,420
that he had suddenly declassified this

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whole thing same as Jimmy Carter when he

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01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:25,220
mentioned the stealth fighter when he

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01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:26,330
was running for re-election

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01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,530
in 1980 it was immediately declassified

2213
01:33:34,330 --> 01:33:32,480
so when the president talks about a

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01:33:36,940 --> 01:33:34,340
subject if he mentions the subject it

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01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:36,950
becomes the class by any Jacobsen talks

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01:33:42,850 --> 01:33:39,530
about the fact that area 51 was

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01:33:44,470 --> 01:33:42,860
Declassified because Barack Obama talked

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01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:44,480
about it when he was giving his award to

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01:33:49,660 --> 01:33:47,330
Shirley MacLaine John Podesta comes into

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01:33:51,370 --> 01:33:49,670
the White House that day after John

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01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:51,380
Podesta comes to and joins the Obama

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01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:54,290
administration Obama gives this reward

2223
01:33:58,330 --> 01:33:55,910
to Shirley MacLaine he makes this famous

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01:33:59,800 --> 01:33:58,340
daven he says you know when you become

2225
01:34:01,690 --> 01:33:59,810
president every ask you about area 51

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01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:01,700
and I really know anything about area 51

2227
01:34:05,230 --> 01:34:03,530
so I phoned up Shirley MacLaine to see

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01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,240
what was going on joke joke joke and

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01:34:08,890 --> 01:34:07,280
then he says you know I'm probably the

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01:34:09,670 --> 01:34:08,900
first president to publicly talk about

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01:34:13,900 --> 01:34:09,680
area 51

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01:34:17,770 --> 01:34:13,910
doesn't mean the documents of come out

2233
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:17,780
but in 2015 when these six I say there's

2234
01:34:22,090 --> 01:34:19,510
six disclosure teams running around

2235
01:34:23,770 --> 01:34:22,100
disclosing this stuff now different

2236
01:34:27,250 --> 01:34:23,780
operations of the law operation run by

2237
01:34:31,810 --> 01:34:27,260
Jim semi van the Pandolfi the Grier the

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01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:31,820
the Hollywood thing by Chase Brandon so

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01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:34,550
when you when you have have this stuff

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that it's all basically operated on

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01:34:46,450 --> 01:34:43,880
started in about so then keep going yes

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01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:46,460
I was talking to my producer yeah this

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01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:49,250
this starts in in Tuesday but the same

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01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:51,380
time that Barack Obama makes a statement

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01:34:57,100 --> 01:34:53,119
he then interviewed by

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01:34:59,470 --> 01:34:57,110
Q magazine in November of 2015 and the

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01:35:01,089 --> 01:34:59,480
the GQ interviewer says what about the

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01:35:02,740 --> 01:35:01,099
Book of Secrets do you brick to know

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01:35:05,890 --> 01:35:02,750
what all the secrets are in stuff like

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01:35:08,050 --> 01:35:05,900
that and Brock says you know everybody

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01:35:09,970 --> 01:35:08,060
always asked me about UFOs and Roz Walt

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01:35:12,729 --> 01:35:09,980
and I just want to let you know that

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01:35:15,339 --> 01:35:12,739
that top-secret stuff isn't as exciting

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01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:15,349
as you think it is I think there's a

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01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:17,650
chance that he may have actually

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01:35:22,300 --> 01:35:20,810
Declassified the UFO and Roswell subject

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01:35:23,890 --> 01:35:22,310
because it was at that point when

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01:35:26,290 --> 01:35:23,900
suddenly there's viral thing I've been

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01:35:28,419 --> 01:35:26,300
in this for 40 years and it's only in

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01:35:31,060 --> 01:35:28,429
the last two years where suddenly if

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01:35:33,970 --> 01:35:31,070
they are and what I'm told is they are

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01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:33,980
not experimenting they have time times

2263
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,670
and deadlines and they are on a mission

2264
01:35:42,459 --> 01:35:40,400
to get this story out and but it's being

2265
01:35:44,589 --> 01:35:42,469
done through this this small D thing

2266
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,599
this we're going to put it in movies Tom

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01:35:47,770 --> 01:35:46,159
DeLonge it's got this billion dollars

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01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:47,780
they're going to put it in the movies

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01:35:51,550 --> 01:35:50,030
you're going to see one on the Avery

2270
01:35:53,770 --> 01:35:51,560
that's going to come out on these Avery

2271
01:35:55,919 --> 01:35:53,780
characters that bill Moore they're doing

2272
01:35:58,930 --> 01:35:55,929
a documentary on that and that was

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01:36:00,640 --> 01:35:58,940
authorized by Ron Pandolfi you're going

2274
01:36:01,689 --> 01:36:00,650
to see another one with with Chris

2275
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:01,699
Bledsoe you're going to see a whole

2276
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:04,369
series of his story you're going to see

2277
01:36:07,629 --> 01:36:05,810
all these different stories coming out

2278
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:07,639
and that's how they do it because that

2279
01:36:12,970 --> 01:36:11,150
if you go to a skeptic face-to-face you

2280
01:36:14,290 --> 01:36:12,980
just back the guy off the way you

2281
01:36:16,689 --> 01:36:14,300
disclose this thing is to do it

2282
01:36:18,669 --> 01:36:16,699
indirectly subliminally through fiction

2283
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:18,679
so they put us through Hollywood and

2284
01:36:23,169 --> 01:36:21,530
that slowly moves people that you don't

2285
01:36:24,910 --> 01:36:23,179
really realize you're being told this is

2286
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:24,920
for real you just think it's a movie and

2287
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:27,230
indirectly subliminally they're getting

2288
01:36:31,839 --> 01:36:29,570
across the idea this is for real there

2289
01:36:33,609 --> 01:36:31,849
are beings here it's consciousness and

2290
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:33,619
there may not their ultra terrestrials

2291
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:36,170
are really really in IDT's they're more

2292
01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:38,090
than ETS as this consciousness aspect

2293
01:36:41,589 --> 01:36:39,590
that's what they're pushing right now is

2294
01:36:44,919 --> 01:36:41,599
this portal idea they're just pushing it

2295
01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:44,929
pushing it in the last year that's all

2296
01:36:48,729 --> 01:36:46,520
you hear about is portals this idea

2297
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:48,739
there's a portal and there's these

2298
01:36:55,209 --> 01:36:51,170
actuators and then names of people

2299
01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:55,219
who've got them and that a joel fuhrman

2300
01:37:02,320 --> 01:36:58,610
this very rich calm guy who was big-time

2301
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,330
into UFOs in the 1990s who financed the

2302
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,400
new majestic 12 document in vestigation

2303
01:37:08,650 --> 01:37:07,040
40 million dollars big time guy

2304
01:37:10,510 --> 01:37:08,660
that he's actually back engine to this

2305
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:10,520
he's actually got a portal he's got a

2306
01:37:14,170 --> 01:37:12,890
working portal so this is the kind of

2307
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:14,180
stuff do you hear now these leaked

2308
01:37:18,130 --> 01:37:15,770
stories and I've never heard about

2309
01:37:19,810 --> 01:37:18,140
portals until this last two years that

2310
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:19,820
they're on a mission from God

2311
01:37:24,370 --> 01:37:22,010
to for whatever reason get this out I

2312
01:37:28,060 --> 01:37:24,380
think it may have to do it with Barack

2313
01:37:30,490 --> 01:37:28,070
Obama in November of 2015 basically

2314
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:30,500
talking about UFOs and basically

2315
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:33,730
confirming it this thing's for real the

2316
01:37:40,570 --> 01:37:37,010
the phases that things have gone through

2317
01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:40,580
with we had press conferences from the

2318
01:37:45,190 --> 01:37:42,680
Pentagon in the 1950s dealing with this

2319
01:37:49,210 --> 01:37:45,200
subject right and and it was all out of

2320
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:49,220
the open and then it went silent from

2321
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:53,840
like 1970 to 73 on and then lately it

2322
01:38:00,250 --> 01:37:57,320
seems like every sitting president has

2323
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:00,260
gone on Jimmy Kimmel or Ellen or

2324
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:02,810
what-have-you and as has brought this

2325
01:38:09,610 --> 01:38:07,250
right to the masses what is what is

2326
01:38:12,370 --> 01:38:09,620
going on here with that why the change

2327
01:38:14,380 --> 01:38:12,380
in tactics well I think they've made a

2328
01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:14,390
move that they're going to release this

2329
01:38:20,380 --> 01:38:16,900
thing they're going to get the story out

2330
01:38:22,150 --> 01:38:20,390
indirectly and this is how they've been

2331
01:38:26,050 --> 01:38:22,160
taught through intelligence to get a

2332
01:38:28,510 --> 01:38:26,060
story to manage a story is to sort of

2333
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,520
put it out indirectly because if you're

2334
01:38:32,380 --> 01:38:30,320
the government and that's why I say I go

2335
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:32,390
through these 64 reasons if you're in

2336
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,130
the government I say if I would give the

2337
01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:36,320
briefing to anybody there's absolutely

2338
01:38:39,550 --> 01:38:37,880
no way you would want to disclose

2339
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:39,560
because you realize all the things that

2340
01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:42,290
can go wrong that that just just like

2341
01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:43,670
nightmares and then they say well you

2342
01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:45,380
got this option it may happen it may not

2343
01:38:49,390 --> 01:38:47,540
happen or we can drill in another oil

2344
01:38:51,370 --> 01:38:49,400
well and we'll look at this in five

2345
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:51,380
years every president so say ìokay look

2346
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:53,330
at it in five years okay let's because

2347
01:38:56,230 --> 01:38:54,560
there's so many things that could go

2348
01:38:57,850 --> 01:38:56,240
wrong there's so many things that once

2349
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,860
you spill the milk you can't control you

2350
01:39:00,640 --> 01:38:59,600
want to control the story the same as

2351
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:00,650
they control every story they don't

2352
01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:02,930
really leak anything on anything it's

2353
01:39:10,150 --> 01:39:07,180
all indirectly managing stories of

2354
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:10,160
technology that that's coming out and it

2355
01:39:12,430 --> 01:39:11,060
you don't want to give it to the

2356
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:12,440
Russians you'd want to give us al-qaeda

2357
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:13,610
you don't want to give it to the Chinese

2358
01:39:18,130 --> 01:39:16,370
and you want to develop your weapons and

2359
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:18,140
this system has worked since World War

2360
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:20,210
two that's how the system worked is that

2361
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:21,420
you had

2362
01:39:26,060 --> 01:39:23,250
what we're called dollar year men they

2363
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:26,070
buy up laboratories they they do it all

2364
01:39:30,860 --> 01:39:28,170
in the black world and so you see

2365
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:30,870
situations where in 1969 is shut down

2366
01:39:33,980 --> 01:39:32,100
blue bug but they're not shutting down

2367
01:39:35,690 --> 01:39:33,990
blue book they're not shutting down UFO

2368
01:39:37,490 --> 01:39:35,700
investigation they're moving it from the

2369
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:37,500
white world to the black world the same

2370
01:39:42,050 --> 01:39:39,570
as Ron Pandolfi was famous for shutting

2371
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:42,060
down the remote viewing program in 1995

2372
01:39:45,860 --> 01:39:44,040
he was the guy that shut it down but

2373
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:45,870
he's not shutting it down he's moving it

2374
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:47,160
from the white world where you have to

2375
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:50,100
report yeah I get foi a material right

2376
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:52,020
and everybody else is you move it to the

2377
01:39:55,220 --> 01:39:53,970
black world to the DARPA world where

2378
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:55,230
everything is classified where

2379
01:39:59,060 --> 01:39:57,090
everything is top-secret where you can

2380
01:40:01,400 --> 01:39:59,070
work and people aren't ridiculed because

2381
01:40:02,060 --> 01:40:01,410
that's what you need in this field with

2382
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:02,070
DARPA

2383
01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:06,090
manager is running this sub sort of UFO

2384
01:40:10,730 --> 01:40:09,030
deal they're got between 100 150 million

2385
01:40:12,290 --> 01:40:10,740
dollars a year in research funds and

2386
01:40:14,990 --> 01:40:12,300
nobody has to worry about people

2387
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,000
laughing at them they just say we just

2388
01:40:18,110 --> 01:40:16,560
develop this or the Russians develop

2389
01:40:19,730 --> 01:40:18,120
this and we're going to go at it and

2390
01:40:21,740 --> 01:40:19,740
that's what any Jacobson is saying is

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01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:21,750
they are working on this kind of stuff

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01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:23,940
get green is working on this stuff with

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01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,000
experiencers and with highly psychic

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01:40:31,820 --> 01:40:29,040
people and they're there they're looking

2395
01:40:33,530 --> 01:40:31,830
at genetics they're looking at MRIs they

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01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:33,540
have this lab at Stanford that seems to

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01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:34,920
have been bought out for this purpose

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01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:36,420
that they're putting money in there

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01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:38,520
that's how you offer you don't operate

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01:40:42,230 --> 01:40:40,260
in the white world you operate it as

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01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:42,240
quietly as you can but you still have to

2402
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:43,260
get the story out because you don't want

2403
01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:45,450
people back in 1947 where they suddenly

2404
01:40:49,190 --> 01:40:47,910
realize those things for real and the

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01:40:50,630 --> 01:40:49,200
government knew about cattle mutilations

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01:40:52,190 --> 01:40:50,640
all the time and they knew about this

2407
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:52,200
they knew about that they knew about a

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01:40:56,210 --> 01:40:53,940
nuclear weapon thing you have to

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01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:56,220
indirectly acclimatize the people that's

2410
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:57,840
what the Brookings Institute and and

2411
01:41:02,840 --> 01:40:59,460
according to Bigelow Bigelow said

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01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:02,850
there's more than one group that said

2413
01:41:06,980 --> 01:41:04,770
this but the Brooking Institute said you

2414
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:06,990
had no way can you disclose this thing

2415
01:41:10,910 --> 01:41:09,210
you've got to acclimatize the people

2416
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:10,920
you've got to slowly release it you

2417
01:41:16,220 --> 01:41:13,650
cannot drop it on the people and now

2418
01:41:19,670 --> 01:41:16,230
what about what do you think is going on

2419
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:19,680
when we talk about DeLong or Grier or or

2420
01:41:24,980 --> 01:41:23,040
quarry good where this information is

2421
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:24,990
coming in they don't know I've

2422
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:26,670
questioned every single one of them how

2423
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:30,000
do you know if you're not being fed you

2424
01:41:34,939 --> 01:41:32,400
know disinformation and if they found

2425
01:41:36,979 --> 01:41:34,949
out do you think that they would

2426
01:41:39,859 --> 01:41:36,989
up up and say something about it I think

2427
01:41:43,790 --> 01:41:39,869
Tom DeLonge he's a punk musician that's

2428
01:41:46,729 --> 01:41:43,800
a that world grant is an

2429
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:46,739
anti-establishment world it's in their

2430
01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:50,070
blood and if he found out he would go

2431
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:52,380
against the man immediately in in my

2432
01:41:57,799 --> 01:41:55,860
opinion and so I I really feel that he

2433
01:42:01,580 --> 01:41:57,809
believes that everything is accurate

2434
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:01,590
coming in to him but if he was fed this

2435
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,050
info and he knew it I think that would

2436
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:05,760
he would blow that out of the water

2437
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:08,010
well what about Greer as possible but

2438
01:42:13,609 --> 01:42:10,249
but it but all of them seem to believe

2439
01:42:16,009 --> 01:42:13,619
that they have it's like the bill more

2440
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:16,019
thing where you believe these guys are

2441
01:42:19,819 --> 01:42:17,760
all your friends and they all say the

2442
01:42:22,759 --> 01:42:19,829
same thing like they're my friends I

2443
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,769
trust them I was like Tom blog says you

2444
01:42:25,729 --> 01:42:24,239
know I make sure I get permission from

2445
01:42:27,410 --> 01:42:25,739
them all the time that he's very

2446
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:27,420
subservient to these guys and same was

2447
01:42:31,939 --> 01:42:29,570
with Steven Greer like how can you have

2448
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,949
504 year a thousand witnesses whatever

2449
01:42:36,350 --> 01:42:33,360
and they're all telling the truth

2450
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,360
there's no way you can have that there's

2451
01:42:39,859 --> 01:42:37,920
got to be a bunch of them that are

2452
01:42:42,290 --> 01:42:39,869
moving you in a different direction but

2453
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,300
they all have this Eagle thing is like

2454
01:42:45,589 --> 01:42:44,400
I'm the smart guy like Bill Moore I I'm

2455
01:42:45,739 --> 01:42:45,599
the only guy knows what I'm talking

2456
01:42:47,779 --> 01:42:45,749
about

2457
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,789
and Tom DeLonge is basically says the

2458
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:49,440
same thing and so Steven Greer said the

2459
01:42:52,819 --> 01:42:51,329
same thing is I'm the only guy that's

2460
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:52,829
able to separate the wheat from the

2461
01:42:58,160 --> 01:42:54,840
chaff and that that's what you was

2462
01:43:00,770 --> 01:42:58,170
required and so these guys are easily

2463
01:43:03,169 --> 01:43:00,780
managed but I've never seen Steve back

2464
01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:03,179
off a witness or the law but DeLong has

2465
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:05,670
only been in it for for a year or a bit

2466
01:43:11,419 --> 01:43:08,010
but we'll see what happens but basically

2467
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:11,429
they are in this thing and and all you

2468
01:43:15,649 --> 01:43:13,619
can really do that's where I say I was I

2469
01:43:16,939 --> 01:43:15,659
was asked actually to do sort of a it

2470
01:43:18,669 --> 01:43:16,949
wasn't to run but it was through

2471
01:43:21,259 --> 01:43:18,679
somebody that was working for Ron or

2472
01:43:22,969 --> 01:43:21,269
doing stuff for Ron and they basically

2473
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:22,979
wanted me to do a blog and I said well

2474
01:43:29,299 --> 01:43:25,489
okay I'll do a blog but you may be sorry

2475
01:43:30,589 --> 01:43:29,309
what I what I put out and what I started

2476
01:43:33,709 --> 01:43:30,599
I have got the blog haven't put it up

2477
01:43:35,569 --> 01:43:33,719
yet but basically I say I'm a puppet and

2478
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,579
I'm listening to Dan Smith who's a

2479
01:43:39,919 --> 01:43:37,920
puppet and Dan Smith is listening to Ali

2480
01:43:41,660 --> 01:43:39,929
have Pandolfi who's Ron's wife and she's

2481
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:41,670
the assistant puppet master and Ron is

2482
01:43:44,660 --> 01:43:43,409
the puppet so I'm just a puppet

2483
01:43:46,969 --> 01:43:44,670
listening to the puppet and all I'm

2484
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:46,979
doing is repeating what I'm being told

2485
01:43:51,319 --> 01:43:49,050
and Mike my fall

2486
01:43:53,780 --> 01:43:51,329
back is who I'm listening to I'm not

2487
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:53,790
listening to Corey good who's just a guy

2488
01:43:58,069 --> 01:43:55,170
on the street who claims that he had

2489
01:43:59,660 --> 01:43:58,079
this encounter I can actually prove who

2490
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,670
I'm talking who these people are and

2491
01:44:03,859 --> 01:44:01,139
that they are actually government people

2492
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:03,869
and I say what I'm saying may be wrong

2493
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:06,000
what they may be telling is wrong but

2494
01:44:10,069 --> 01:44:08,460
the fact is this is the guy who probably

2495
01:44:12,169 --> 01:44:10,079
briefs the president this is the guy

2496
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:12,179
who's inside the White House and I'm

2497
01:44:15,740 --> 01:44:14,040
going to go as high level a source I can

2498
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,750
or when the president so if the

2499
01:44:20,089 --> 01:44:17,280
president stands up and says something

2500
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:20,099
where he he talked about like Barack

2501
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:22,500
Obama it's the top secret stuff isn't as

2502
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:24,449
exciting as you think it is it really is

2503
01:44:27,859 --> 01:44:26,820
a matter was true/false whatever it's

2504
01:44:29,689 --> 01:44:27,869
the fact that the President of the

2505
01:44:31,580 --> 01:44:29,699
United States who has to know what's

2506
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:31,590
going on is saying this and we should be

2507
01:44:35,899 --> 01:44:33,150
listening to these high-level people

2508
01:44:38,899 --> 01:44:35,909
every single word they say we should be

2509
01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:38,909
recording it and and dissecting it

2510
01:44:43,069 --> 01:44:41,400
because these are the high-level people

2511
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:43,079
and it's very significant when they

2512
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:44,520
start talking about this subject that

2513
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:47,130
they shouldn't be talking about exactly

2514
01:44:54,620 --> 01:44:50,000
and when we come back we're going to

2515
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:54,630
take this one step further not only do

2516
01:45:02,720 --> 01:44:59,520
we have the sitting presidents but we

2517
01:45:05,359 --> 01:45:02,730
have the continuing agenda that will

2518
01:45:08,270 --> 01:45:05,369
always move forward no matter who's

2519
01:45:10,430 --> 01:45:08,280
sitting in the Oval Office and and I

2520
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:10,440
want I do want to talk about that and

2521
01:45:15,140 --> 01:45:13,230
what is the actual agenda that is there

2522
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:15,150
that is there let's take a break right

2523
01:45:20,770 --> 01:45:17,730
here our guest tonight grant Cameron

2524
01:45:23,089 --> 01:45:20,780
live from Winnipeg Canada

2525
01:45:25,220 --> 01:45:23,099
this is fade to black our marrows Jimmy

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Church will be back more with grant

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right after this short break

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fade to black our mystery Church follow

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and Jimmy Church radio calm our guest

2619
01:50:01,160 --> 01:49:58,270
tonight grant Cameron and we're talking

2620
01:50:05,180 --> 01:50:01,170
about the government influence on

2621
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ufology whistleblowers groups

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individuals and when somebody calls

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himself an insider grant you you

2624
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immediately question everything is that

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the way that we need to look at all of

2626
01:50:21,149 --> 01:50:18,630
this

2627
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:21,159
yeah the first question you have to ask

2628
01:50:27,569 --> 01:50:24,130
is why is this person not in jail that's

2629
01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:27,579
my primary question is like how does

2630
01:50:32,700 --> 01:50:30,340
this person come out and say I have this

2631
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material because the Canadians

2632
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identified as most highly classified

2633
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subject in the United States and how is

2634
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:41,469
this person talking and then you have to

2635
01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:44,800
look at is this person being influenced

2636
01:50:50,010 --> 01:50:47,590
by somebody are they there for a reason

2637
01:50:52,500 --> 01:50:50,020
to put out a certain message but it's

2638
01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:52,510
always going to be questionable because

2639
01:50:59,399 --> 01:50:55,000
of the way you see with with people who

2640
01:51:02,010 --> 01:50:59,409
leak stuff where it's 10 years per item

2641
01:51:04,260 --> 01:51:02,020
so it's not just you know you get 10

2642
01:51:06,029 --> 01:51:04,270
years in jail for leaking stuff every

2643
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:06,039
item you talk about is 10 years in jail

2644
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:08,110
so you could be you know thousands of

2645
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:10,000
years in jail for for leaking all this

2646
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:13,030
kind of stuff so that's always my my my

2647
01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:15,130
primary question and that's why I'm so

2648
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:17,500
interested in people that you can

2649
01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:20,130
actually verify are in the government

2650
01:51:25,859 --> 01:51:23,800
then it comes down to the fact that it

2651
01:51:27,450 --> 01:51:25,869
looks like they have permission to do

2652
01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:27,460
this for example Ron Pandolfi has been

2653
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:30,280
doing this since he first encountered

2654
01:51:40,979 --> 01:51:34,449
Dan Smith in 1991 when he said I'm going

2655
01:51:43,020 --> 01:51:40,989
to Los Alamos to see the aliens and Dan

2656
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:43,030
Smith who you know he's kind of a rich

2657
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,770
guy he doesn't really take garbage from

2658
01:51:48,899 --> 01:51:46,840
everybody said ok and phoned up Los

2659
01:51:50,850 --> 01:51:48,909
Alamos and they put him on the phone he

2660
01:51:52,740 --> 01:51:50,860
said I need the desk where this weird

2661
01:51:53,729 --> 01:51:52,750
type stuff happens whatever and he's

2662
01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:53,739
sudden he's on the phone with John

2663
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:55,630
Alexander and so these names just

2664
01:52:00,110 --> 01:51:58,239
recycle and when Ron comes back Roger

2665
01:52:02,010 --> 01:52:00,120
says to him

2666
01:52:06,270 --> 01:52:02,020
because you put on the Internet the

2667
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:06,280
initial internet back in 1991 when it

2668
01:52:09,630 --> 01:52:08,050
was just starting up when it was just

2669
01:52:11,340 --> 01:52:09,640
these boards these communication boards

2670
01:52:13,229 --> 01:52:11,350
he said the next time you talk about me

2671
01:52:14,939 --> 01:52:13,239
don't put my name and CI in the same

2672
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:14,949
sentence really I don't care what you

2673
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:17,050
say but just don't put my name and CI in

2674
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:19,210
the same sentence so it started 1991

2675
01:52:24,180 --> 01:52:20,620
where he was he was putting this stuff

2676
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,190
out and that to me is is part of the

2677
01:52:28,020 --> 01:52:26,320
story is how long have they been telling

2678
01:52:30,090 --> 01:52:28,030
the story and do they have a need to

2679
01:52:31,919 --> 01:52:30,100
know there's no doubt we don't really

2680
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:31,929
know what Ron does for a fact for a

2681
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:34,090
living because it'd be classified I mean

2682
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:36,760
his position what it is I just know for

2683
01:52:41,250 --> 01:52:38,530
a fact from the rockefeller documents

2684
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:41,260
that he was the White House guy in 1993

2685
01:52:45,390 --> 01:52:44,050
so that to me is always a critical thing

2686
01:52:49,939 --> 01:52:45,400
but you have so many of these people out

2687
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:49,949
there who are basically telling stories

2688
01:52:54,540 --> 01:52:52,570
that it's impossible all you have as a

2689
01:52:57,060 --> 01:52:54,550
situation where you really don't know

2690
01:53:00,419 --> 01:52:57,070
it's either if you have seen something

2691
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:00,429
you know otherwise everybody's just in a

2692
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:02,410
position where they believe or they

2693
01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:04,330
disbelieve and so somebody will come up

2694
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:05,320
and say well I don't really believe that

2695
01:53:09,390 --> 01:53:07,330
well who cares what you believe I mean

2696
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:09,400
it's not really relevant because it's

2697
01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:11,410
just your opinion the only way we're

2698
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:12,340
really going to know we really don't

2699
01:53:15,630 --> 01:53:13,780
know very much except that we're

2700
01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:15,640
conscious and even that we were really

2701
01:53:19,050 --> 01:53:17,320
not really too sure whether you know it

2702
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:19,060
might have been a dream or it might have

2703
01:53:22,380 --> 01:53:20,710
been the universe started 3 minutes and

2704
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:22,390
15 seconds ago you know when it comes

2705
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,370
right down to it what do we really know

2706
01:53:28,590 --> 01:53:26,560
about anything right and and that's why

2707
01:53:30,060 --> 01:53:28,600
to me the source is the most important

2708
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:30,070
to this story because there's just piles

2709
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:31,390
of these people and a lot of them are

2710
01:53:35,970 --> 01:53:33,130
like my book this Charlie read star book

2711
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:35,980
did that's really really popular and yet

2712
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:37,570
it's just stories but people like

2713
01:53:41,700 --> 01:53:39,730
stories they don't like the like a lot

2714
01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:41,710
of people we bring up this Dan Smith and

2715
01:53:45,150 --> 01:53:43,120
Dan Smith will sort of talk in rhymes

2716
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:45,160
and riddles and people say I don't like

2717
01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:47,110
the rhymes and rules this is garbage but

2718
01:53:50,820 --> 01:53:48,820
just tell me what it is and it's like

2719
01:53:52,830 --> 01:53:50,830
we're like in the West we want

2720
01:53:54,570 --> 01:53:52,840
everything we want it yesterday so we

2721
01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:54,580
want a good story or we want something

2722
01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:56,710
to entertain us but nobody really wants

2723
01:54:00,540 --> 01:53:58,690
to sort of work through it and what they

2724
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,550
are doing indirectly is sort of making

2725
01:54:03,959 --> 01:54:02,080
us work for this if you're on the end

2726
01:54:05,550 --> 01:54:03,969
inside and you're working for this so I

2727
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:05,560
love it because I like to play chess and

2728
01:54:12,060 --> 01:54:10,090
to me I don't mind the game but in the

2729
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:12,070
end we really don't know much of

2730
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:13,090
anything until the axe

2731
01:54:17,459 --> 01:54:15,520
makes a statement which I am absolutely

2732
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:17,469
assured from everybody I've talked to

2733
01:54:22,740 --> 01:54:19,000
and I think I have some pretty good

2734
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,750
sources that say they will never as far

2735
01:54:25,770 --> 01:54:23,920
as we know there will never be a

2736
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:25,780
disclosure but there is some big stuff

2737
01:54:31,470 --> 01:54:28,530
coming like the times long announcement

2738
01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:31,480
the some of these other documentaries

2739
01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:34,510
that are coming high-level people coming

2740
01:54:38,250 --> 01:54:36,369
out some of the richest people in the

2741
01:54:40,740 --> 01:54:38,260
world will be identified as putting

2742
01:54:42,899 --> 01:54:40,750
money into this thing billion dollars

2743
01:54:45,780 --> 01:54:42,909
possibly going into this thing this kind

2744
01:54:48,089 --> 01:54:45,790
of stuff is about to come out and it

2745
01:54:50,490 --> 01:54:48,099
will shake up a few people but it still

2746
01:54:51,899 --> 01:54:50,500
will not convince the skeptic it was the

2747
01:54:54,689 --> 01:54:51,909
way I'm sort of described it is they

2748
01:54:57,479 --> 01:54:54,699
will always provide an out for the

2749
01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:57,489
skeptic so the skeptic can walk away and

2750
01:55:09,180 --> 01:55:01,560
still disbelief what was with Pandolfi

2751
01:55:12,689 --> 01:55:09,190
did he okay did he did he bring in Trump

2752
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:12,699
or not and and how can we trust because

2753
01:55:17,550 --> 01:55:14,710
if he's done you know everybody else

2754
01:55:19,950 --> 01:55:17,560
right the last six presidents what

2755
01:55:21,540 --> 01:55:19,960
what's going on if he if he's saying he

2756
01:55:23,609 --> 01:55:21,550
didn't or did he

2757
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:23,619
where are we standing right now with

2758
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,770
Trump today well he the story was that

2759
01:55:29,490 --> 01:55:28,960
he that he briefed them that he was with

2760
01:55:33,810 --> 01:55:29,500
them every day

2761
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:33,820
and so a dense mist blog this every day

2762
01:55:40,109 --> 01:55:36,730
on his site you know what was happening

2763
01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:40,119
and Trump stated he wasn't that

2764
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:41,860
interested but he sort of gave approval

2765
01:55:46,169 --> 01:55:44,080
and that is something that people got to

2766
01:55:48,479 --> 01:55:46,179
realize is people will turn this into a

2767
01:55:50,430 --> 01:55:48,489
democratic issue a Republican issue this

2768
01:55:51,810 --> 01:55:50,440
is just an issue it's got nothing to

2769
01:55:53,700 --> 01:55:51,820
because there have been 14

2770
01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:53,710
administration's who have dealt with

2771
01:55:58,140 --> 01:55:55,900
this this subject since Roosevelt and

2772
01:56:00,180 --> 01:55:58,150
there's been seven Democrat and seven

2773
01:56:03,810 --> 01:56:00,190
Republican administrations and they've

2774
01:56:05,310 --> 01:56:03,820
all done exactly the same thing which

2775
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:05,320
indicates that there are rules and

2776
01:56:09,390 --> 01:56:07,090
regulations and everybody's just playing

2777
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:09,400
by the rules it's not an issue of

2778
01:56:13,410 --> 01:56:11,170
there's good guys and bad guys because

2779
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:13,420
you can say okay you know Obama's a bad

2780
01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:14,980
guy and he was covering this thing off

2781
01:56:17,970 --> 01:56:16,270
by now Trump's come in and he's going to

2782
01:56:19,290 --> 01:56:17,980
disclose well Trump did the same thing

2783
01:56:21,149 --> 01:56:19,300
they're all going to do the same thing

2784
01:56:23,729 --> 01:56:21,159
because there are these rules they the

2785
01:56:25,770 --> 01:56:23,739
president doesn't stand up and leak

2786
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:25,780
stories about anything they don't come

2787
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:26,770
out and he's told

2788
01:56:30,510 --> 01:56:28,210
thousands of different secrets for

2789
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:30,520
example Bhama when he was brief said

2790
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:32,170
it's a good thing that I was in a room

2791
01:56:35,190 --> 01:56:33,910
that had bars on the window

2792
01:56:36,660 --> 01:56:35,200
when I was briefed given the

2793
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:36,670
intelligence briefing because if there

2794
01:56:39,810 --> 01:56:37,930
had been bars on the window I might have

2795
01:56:41,610 --> 01:56:39,820
jumped out so some of the stuff there

2796
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:41,620
Tolls it's got to be pretty dramatic and

2797
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:47,310
and and Bush's guide the Vice President

2798
01:56:52,890 --> 01:56:51,730
name is escaping me said the bet the

2799
01:56:54,510 --> 01:56:52,900
stuff they tell you that's the most

2800
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,520
interesting during the presidential

2801
01:57:00,660 --> 01:56:56,800
briefing is the stuff they don't write

2802
01:57:02,490 --> 01:57:00,670
down and that confirms the fact that a

2803
01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:02,500
lot of the UFO story is probably going

2804
01:57:08,180 --> 01:57:04,840
to be oral and that was confirmed by if

2805
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:08,190
you remember back the story with Truman

2806
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:11,290
Truman brought in this guy by General

2807
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:14,110
Robert Landry and he was the air

2808
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,960
advisors brought in in February of 1948

2809
01:57:22,140 --> 01:57:19,360
and Landry does an oral history at the

2810
01:57:24,540 --> 01:57:22,150
at the Eisen at the Truman library and

2811
01:57:26,370 --> 01:57:24,550
during that interview he said when he

2812
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:26,380
was brought in one of the first things

2813
01:57:30,330 --> 01:57:28,000
that the Truman told him as the air

2814
01:57:32,250 --> 01:57:30,340
advisor was that he was to go to the CIA

2815
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:32,260
and he was to get the the the Flying

2816
01:57:37,590 --> 01:57:35,170
Saucer flying disc stuff and he was to

2817
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:37,600
give him an oral briefing every three

2818
01:57:42,210 --> 01:57:39,040
months so that would have meant that

2819
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:42,220
Truman would have got about 15 to 20

2820
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:45,000
oral briefings until he left office in

2821
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:47,890
1953 but they were all done orally so in

2822
01:57:53,010 --> 01:57:51,280
1948 already they knew you don't write

2823
01:57:54,990 --> 01:57:53,020
this subject down this is so highly

2824
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:55,000
classified it's done orally it's just

2825
01:57:58,140 --> 01:57:56,530
passed from one person to another and

2826
01:58:00,570 --> 01:57:58,150
that's the key to this whole thing is

2827
01:58:02,910 --> 01:58:00,580
that the higher the classification there

2828
01:58:05,970 --> 01:58:02,920
is the less people that know so there

2829
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,980
may only be by people who actually know

2830
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:07,360
how all the pieces are put together

2831
01:58:10,830 --> 01:58:09,730
there may be a lot of people who believe

2832
01:58:12,900 --> 01:58:10,840
they know how the pieces are put

2833
01:58:14,250 --> 01:58:12,910
together but they're really not on the

2834
01:58:16,890 --> 01:58:14,260
inner circle they're on one of the outer

2835
01:58:18,930 --> 01:58:16,900
circles and that's how every highly

2836
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:18,940
classified program works it seems like

2837
01:58:24,450 --> 01:58:21,370
it's run like every other program and

2838
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:24,460
that people are a need-to-know basis you

2839
01:58:29,340 --> 01:58:27,850
know what you need to know and that's

2840
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:29,350
how it operates and the president has

2841
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:32,170
ultimate authority he can sign off but

2842
01:58:35,490 --> 01:58:33,760
he has this plausible deniability that

2843
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:35,500
he may even say I really don't know

2844
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:36,880
about it and that's what happened with

2845
01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:38,320
Trump is that with the last thing we

2846
01:58:40,750 --> 01:58:40,120
heard about Trump he was supposed to go

2847
01:58:42,430 --> 01:58:40,760
he was suppose

2848
01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:42,440
to have this portal that these call

2849
01:58:49,180 --> 01:58:45,289
these actuators that are brought out of

2850
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:49,190
the portal and that one was this is in

2851
01:58:54,490 --> 01:58:52,250
March of this year Dan Smith was they

2852
01:58:56,919 --> 01:58:54,500
had gone to an island with Ron it was

2853
01:59:01,000 --> 01:58:56,929
the thing st. Catharines island off of

2854
01:59:02,830 --> 01:59:01,010
Georgia and they the actuator was there

2855
01:59:04,959 --> 01:59:02,840
and it was being taken back to Trump

2856
01:59:08,459 --> 01:59:04,969
Tower and the story was that Trump was

2857
01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:08,469
going to be taken through the portal and

2858
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:12,409
then that didn't happen and the last

2859
01:59:16,330 --> 01:59:14,960
thing we heard was that Trump had other

2860
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:16,340
things to do they really wasn't

2861
01:59:19,839 --> 01:59:18,170
interested that you can you can go ahead

2862
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:19,849
with this this sort of gradual

2863
01:59:24,069 --> 01:59:22,130
disclosure thing but he's really not

2864
01:59:25,839 --> 01:59:24,079
going to be hands-on on this thing he's

2865
01:59:28,660 --> 01:59:25,849
just not that interested in this subject

2866
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:28,670
and that was the last thing we heard but

2867
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,760
definitely in December you read Dan

2868
01:59:36,939 --> 01:59:33,679
Smith blog he talks about it endlessly

2869
01:59:40,899 --> 01:59:36,949
and the other thing that was that leha

2870
01:59:42,850 --> 01:59:40,909
Pandolfi who's run second wife who runs

2871
01:59:45,700 --> 01:59:42,860
these go to meetings that only 15 people

2872
01:59:48,669 --> 01:59:45,710
show up she according to Dan Smith

2873
01:59:51,009 --> 01:59:48,679
according to what Ron told him was part

2874
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:51,019
of the briefing team that she is part of

2875
01:59:55,359 --> 01:59:53,690
she is very closely connected to the

2876
01:59:57,399 --> 01:59:55,369
portal it's a long story I don't want to

2877
01:59:59,799 --> 01:59:57,409
get into it but it's very complex but

2878
02:00:02,350 --> 01:59:59,809
she's a key component to this part of

2879
02:00:04,330 --> 02:00:02,360
the portal story and that she was part

2880
02:00:06,250 --> 02:00:04,340
of the briefing team that talked to

2881
02:00:08,379 --> 02:00:06,260
Trump about the portal so here we have

2882
02:00:10,419 --> 02:00:08,389
somebody who's actually there you can go

2883
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:10,429
on there and if you have questions about

2884
02:00:14,979 --> 02:00:13,010
the veracity of this or where this is

2885
02:00:17,649 --> 02:00:14,989
coming from or why you're doing this you

2886
02:00:19,779 --> 02:00:17,659
can actually ask a question on the chat

2887
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:19,789
board and they will read your question

2888
02:00:24,250 --> 02:00:21,650
and they may walk around it or whatever

2889
02:00:26,290 --> 02:00:24,260
and that was what is the question we had

2890
02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:26,300
a conversation about Gaia I have a good

2891
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:28,400
friend who's a producer he's a Canadian

2892
02:00:32,950 --> 02:00:30,800
guy who won a couple Emmy Awards was

2893
02:00:35,229 --> 02:00:32,960
picked up by Gaia so I know this guy and

2894
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:35,239
I talked him into this I said you got to

2895
02:00:38,830 --> 02:00:36,639
come to these meetings you got to watch

2896
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:38,840
Pandolfi do this right out in the open

2897
02:00:43,379 --> 02:00:40,130
so he went to a couple these meetings

2898
02:00:50,290 --> 02:00:43,389
and one of the stories was that during

2899
02:00:52,930 --> 02:00:50,300
after Steven Greer did his serious movie

2900
02:00:54,370 --> 02:00:52,940
at the end there's a source I really

2901
02:00:55,750 --> 02:00:54,380
don't want a name but ever there was

2902
02:00:57,879 --> 02:00:55,760
but seven or eight people in the room

2903
02:01:00,520 --> 02:00:57,889
when this person identified this that

2904
02:01:02,890 --> 02:01:00,530
she said Stephen was very upset that now

2905
02:01:08,410 --> 02:01:02,900
he had to go back and he had to report

2906
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:08,420
to Ron at the at the the CIA UFO desk so

2907
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:11,840
during one of these meetings this Sid

2908
02:01:16,750 --> 02:01:15,050
Goldberg who's the producer at gaya asks

2909
02:01:18,669 --> 02:01:16,760
Ron Ron is sitting in the background

2910
02:01:20,410 --> 02:01:18,679
he's in the room but he's not he's not

2911
02:01:24,490 --> 02:01:20,420
on the broadcast his wife is running the

2912
02:01:28,750 --> 02:01:24,500
broadcast so he said I want to know does

2913
02:01:31,660 --> 02:01:28,760
Ron Pandolfi vet Stephen Greer's

2914
02:01:33,610 --> 02:01:31,670
material is he helping Steven Greer and

2915
02:01:37,660 --> 02:01:33,620
you could hear Ron in the background go

2916
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:37,670
what stories so Sid just repeats the

2917
02:01:44,979 --> 02:01:41,770
question he said does Ron Pandolfi that

2918
02:01:47,649 --> 02:01:44,989
Steven Greer's material and it was like

2919
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:47,659
dead silence for about four 20 seconds

2920
02:01:50,770 --> 02:01:49,250
and then someone in the room says I

2921
02:01:53,169 --> 02:01:50,780
think you just got your answer and

2922
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:53,179
that's the whole thing is that you can

2923
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:54,530
ask these questions you may not get the

2924
02:01:59,470 --> 02:01:57,440
answer but the amazing thing is there's

2925
02:02:01,540 --> 02:01:59,480
no there's almost no doubt in my mind

2926
02:02:04,300 --> 02:02:01,550
unless someone can show me that this guy

2927
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:04,310
is not who we say is that this guy is

2928
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:06,170
running these meetings right out in the

2929
02:02:11,050 --> 02:02:09,530
open on a goto meeting and anybody can

2930
02:02:13,090 --> 02:02:11,060
go there I have a list anybody wants to

2931
02:02:15,729 --> 02:02:13,100
get on a list and contact me at white

2932
02:02:16,060 --> 02:02:15,739
house UFO at gmail.com put you on the

2933
02:02:17,620 --> 02:02:16,070
list

2934
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:17,630
when they have a meeting you'll get an

2935
02:02:20,740 --> 02:02:19,250
email that says today they're having a

2936
02:02:22,540 --> 02:02:20,750
meeting you can go ask whatever

2937
02:02:24,070 --> 02:02:22,550
questions you want they're doing it

2938
02:02:26,590 --> 02:02:24,080
right out in the open and to be that's

2939
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:26,600
hardly significant now maybe it's you

2940
02:02:30,850 --> 02:02:28,010
know we can't really tell true/false

2941
02:02:33,189 --> 02:02:30,860
whatever it's just this guy I am

2942
02:02:33,879 --> 02:02:33,199
absolutely confirmed it's connected to

2943
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:33,889
the White House

2944
02:02:41,260 --> 02:02:35,840
so the question is why are they doing

2945
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:41,270
this way do you think Pandolfi is was

2946
02:02:51,669 --> 02:02:46,070
connected to like Bill Moore Grier of

2947
02:02:53,379 --> 02:02:51,679
course Tom DeLonge at the radio

2948
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:53,389
broadcast he's certainly not connected

2949
02:02:59,800 --> 02:02:55,010
with me you and I would discuss this

2950
02:03:04,300 --> 02:02:59,810
before the show but and and it has been

2951
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:04,310
you know the the progenitor for both

2952
02:03:10,030 --> 02:03:07,670
disinfo and real information well

2953
02:03:13,270 --> 02:03:10,040
manager I would never call disinfo he's

2954
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:13,280
a manager he has people who are he's

2955
02:03:19,390 --> 02:03:16,850
contacted for example Steven Greer Bruce

2956
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:19,400
Maccabee Whitley Strieber dance miss

2957
02:03:24,910 --> 02:03:22,489
rosemary guy Lee Steve Bassett Colin

2958
02:03:26,919 --> 02:03:24,920
Andrews Bill Moore only had one meeting

2959
02:03:28,959 --> 02:03:26,929
according to Bill

2960
02:03:32,169 --> 02:03:28,969
we contacted bill because I actually got

2961
02:03:34,689 --> 02:03:32,179
a contact from a producer who's doing a

2962
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:34,699
documentary on the Avery on this elusive

2963
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:37,010
Avery of bill Moore's right and the guy

2964
02:03:41,229 --> 02:03:39,440
said to me he said US intelligence said

2965
02:03:43,689 --> 02:03:41,239
I should talk to you and I said come on

2966
02:03:45,939 --> 02:03:43,699
I'm not even on America like why would

2967
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:45,949
US intelligence say to talk to me he

2968
02:03:49,180 --> 02:03:47,690
said well you know about the Avery and I

2969
02:03:51,850 --> 02:03:49,190
said boy I know about the Avery because

2970
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:51,860
I was with Bill Moore and I wrote a

2971
02:03:55,419 --> 02:03:53,810
number of articles and identified who I

2972
02:03:56,530 --> 02:03:55,429
thought the Avery were and stuff and

2973
02:03:57,729 --> 02:03:56,540
nobody really knows who they were

2974
02:03:59,560 --> 02:03:57,739
because bill was the only guy knew what

2975
02:04:01,270 --> 02:03:59,570
they were everybody's made some sort of

2976
02:04:03,340 --> 02:04:01,280
you know mystical thing about these guys

2977
02:04:05,709 --> 02:04:03,350
all it was was Bill Moore gave all these

2978
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:05,719
high-level sources that he had names

2979
02:04:09,580 --> 02:04:07,610
bird names so that when he and Jamie SH

2980
02:04:10,959 --> 02:04:09,590
and Ray were talking on the phone they

2981
02:04:12,820 --> 02:04:10,969
could talk about these guys so nobody

2982
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:12,830
knew who they were so this guy said well

2983
02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:14,090
you know about the Avery and I said yeah

2984
02:04:20,110 --> 02:04:18,770
and then I said sure yeah US

2985
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:20,120
intelligence that I should talk to you

2986
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:21,440
because I'm doing this documentary on

2987
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:24,050
the Avery and I'd like to pick your mind

2988
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:25,520
I said ok whatever you want I'll answer

2989
02:04:29,470 --> 02:04:27,170
whatever your questions and then I've

2990
02:04:31,150 --> 02:04:29,480
got the offer ok I talked to Ron and he

2991
02:04:34,570 --> 02:04:31,160
said you're in and so what do you mean

2992
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,580
I'm in well you can be in on the comment

2993
02:04:38,260 --> 02:04:36,560
we have these these phone calls and I

2994
02:04:40,360 --> 02:04:38,270
said well I don't want to be in and he

2995
02:04:42,130 --> 02:04:40,370
said well yeah we can be in and then it

2996
02:04:44,890 --> 02:04:42,140
was like you can have a hundred percent

2997
02:04:46,419 --> 02:04:44,900
if you're in or you can have 10 to 20

2998
02:04:48,130 --> 02:04:46,429
percent if you stay on the outside I

2999
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:48,140
said I'll take the toy ten to twenty

3000
02:04:51,100 --> 02:04:49,370
percent because I know what happened to

3001
02:04:53,919 --> 02:04:51,110
Bill Moore I know how the game is played

3002
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:53,929
I would rather be a chess player and try

3003
02:04:58,000 --> 02:04:55,760
to figure out what's going on then be a

3004
02:05:00,430 --> 02:04:58,010
chess player because if I am on the

3005
02:05:02,229 --> 02:05:00,440
inside then I can no longer tell Jimmy

3006
02:05:04,930 --> 02:05:02,239
Church what I know where I want to be

3007
02:05:06,820 --> 02:05:04,940
able to repeat I'm like Dan Smith I hear

3008
02:05:09,010 --> 02:05:06,830
I repeat and that's it and they know

3009
02:05:11,740 --> 02:05:09,020
that's how it works so I I hear stuff

3010
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:11,750
and I repeat it if I'm on the inside I

3011
02:05:14,830 --> 02:05:13,460
can't talk anymore and a number of

3012
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:14,840
people have been told this we will tell

3013
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:16,370
you what's going on but then you have to

3014
02:05:20,020 --> 02:05:17,840
sign your life away it's not worth that

3015
02:05:20,430 --> 02:05:20,030
I really don't care it I've actually ran

3016
02:05:21,870 --> 02:05:20,440
up

3017
02:05:24,450 --> 02:05:21,880
and this interesting story a number of

3018
02:05:26,370 --> 02:05:24,460
years ago I ran up a guy who was

3019
02:05:27,660 --> 02:05:26,380
connected to Avery he was an Avery guy

3020
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:27,670
but he was connected he knew all the

3021
02:05:31,470 --> 02:05:29,410
Avery guys and he pulled me up and he

3022
02:05:33,570 --> 02:05:31,480
said I think I Jimmy Carter's phone

3023
02:05:34,890 --> 02:05:33,580
number and I said no I'm catching me

3024
02:05:35,670 --> 02:05:34,900
Kerry's phone why would have a Jimmy

3025
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:35,680
Carter's phone number

3026
02:05:37,950 --> 02:05:36,850
he said well you the president guy I

3027
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:37,960
thought you'd have Jimmy Carter's phone

3028
02:05:40,590 --> 02:05:39,130
away I said no I know it's Jimmy

3029
02:05:42,090 --> 02:05:40,600
Carter's phone I said what do you want

3030
02:05:43,790 --> 02:05:42,100
Jimmy Carter's phone number for and he

3031
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:43,800
said because I just talked to bush

3032
02:05:50,460 --> 02:05:46,480
senior and I talked to Gerald Ford and

3033
02:05:51,900 --> 02:05:50,470
they were trying to find out about the

3034
02:05:53,130 --> 02:05:51,910
Holloman Air Force Base film they were

3035
02:05:55,620 --> 02:05:53,140
trying to find out where this thing was

3036
02:05:58,020 --> 02:05:55,630
because there was a story story put out

3037
02:06:00,120 --> 02:05:58,030
by Senator Dodd that he filed an FOI a

3038
02:06:01,410 --> 02:06:00,130
and it was in a Navy sink and nobody

3039
02:06:02,490 --> 02:06:01,420
could figure with the Navy sink was so

3040
02:06:04,380 --> 02:06:02,500
they're they're trying to get this thing

3041
02:06:06,330 --> 02:06:04,390
and he said well I phoned up these two

3042
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:06,340
guys and I talked them I said really and

3043
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:08,050
he said yeah I have this whatever it's

3044
02:06:11,130 --> 02:06:09,610
called former intelligence officers

3045
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:11,140
association of former intelligence

3046
02:06:15,630 --> 02:06:13,090
officers where and this guy was a member

3047
02:06:17,190 --> 02:06:15,640
and so was Bush and so was Fort so he

3048
02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:17,200
phoned him up and he said did you see

3049
02:06:20,700 --> 02:06:18,670
the Holloman Air Force Base film and

3050
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:20,710
that's a rumor story that the when the

3051
02:06:26,130 --> 02:06:22,450
president is briefed he's shown this

3052
02:06:27,540 --> 02:06:26,140
15-minute color for a film of aliens

3053
02:06:29,490 --> 02:06:27,550
landing at Holloman Air Force Base and

3054
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:29,500
the aliens get out and they are greeted

3055
02:06:32,700 --> 02:06:30,970
by base officials and this is part of

3056
02:06:35,970 --> 02:06:32,710
the presidential briefing so he said to

3057
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:35,980
Bush senior he said did you see the

3058
02:06:42,750 --> 02:06:37,450
Holloman Air Force Base film and Bush

3059
02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:42,760
said yes I saw it and he said well was

3060
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:44,080
it an eight twelve because there was all

3061
02:06:46,500 --> 02:06:45,190
these stories being put I was eight

3062
02:06:48,300 --> 02:06:46,510
twelve it was all these

3063
02:06:49,860 --> 02:06:48,310
counterintelligence things were being

3064
02:06:52,710 --> 02:06:49,870
put out he said no wasn't a twelve no

3065
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:52,720
was a psychological operation no wasn't

3066
02:06:55,260 --> 02:06:54,070
this no wasn't that I'm not going to

3067
02:06:57,600 --> 02:06:55,270
tell you what it was but yes I saw the

3068
02:06:59,970 --> 02:06:57,610
film but I didn't see it as when I was

3069
02:07:02,430 --> 02:06:59,980
briefed for president I saw it as CI

3070
02:07:04,590 --> 02:07:02,440
director Danny phones up Ford and Ford

3071
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:04,600
says yes I saw the film as well and I

3072
02:07:08,970 --> 02:07:05,920
saw it during my presidential briefing

3073
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:08,980
for example when we went way what Ford

3074
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:12,370
saw the Holliman film yes really so the

3075
02:07:16,230 --> 02:07:14,290
so the guy says to me says we'll win

3076
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:16,240
with the briefing and Ford says I'm

3077
02:07:19,620 --> 02:07:17,530
never going to tell you when the

3078
02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:19,630
briefing is don't even go there because

3079
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:21,340
if you got the date of the briefing then

3080
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:22,330
you could figure out who was in the

3081
02:07:25,380 --> 02:07:23,650
briefing right and you could start to

3082
02:07:26,970 --> 02:07:25,390
dig so he some 19 were to go there so

3083
02:07:28,890 --> 02:07:26,980
anyway he tells me the story and then I

3084
02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:28,900
start to leak this story and I told

3085
02:07:33,210 --> 02:07:30,910
somebody and he got it got back to him

3086
02:07:34,260 --> 02:07:33,220
and he said this was confidential and

3087
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:34,270
it's like we're supposed to tell

3088
02:07:38,130 --> 02:07:35,770
it's confidential before you tell me to

3089
02:07:39,390 --> 02:07:38,140
forget tell me a story and then say okay

3090
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,400
now you're sworn to secrecy it doesn't

3091
02:07:43,230 --> 02:07:40,960
work that way right and it was and it

3092
02:07:46,140 --> 02:07:43,240
was to me it was like this is mj-12 too

3093
02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:46,150
I mean so what you guys you in the year

3094
02:07:49,530 --> 02:07:48,550
12 other guys figure this thing out and

3095
02:07:51,500 --> 02:07:49,540
you keep a secret

3096
02:07:53,340 --> 02:07:51,510
how does that help anybody so I

3097
02:07:55,050 --> 02:07:53,350
basically I don't want to be part of

3098
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:55,060
mj-12 - I don't want to know what's

3099
02:07:58,260 --> 02:07:56,800
going on I want to try to figure this

3100
02:07:59,430 --> 02:07:58,270
thing out so I want to tell people I

3101
02:08:01,650 --> 02:07:59,440
don't really want to be sworn to secrecy

3102
02:08:04,050 --> 02:08:01,660
by anything and there's a lot of people

3103
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:04,060
in the UFO community that if everybody

3104
02:08:07,890 --> 02:08:06,550
would just tell what they know we could

3105
02:08:08,940 --> 02:08:07,900
solve this thing but everybody's got a

3106
02:08:10,170 --> 02:08:08,950
secret because everybody think they're

3107
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:10,180
going to make a million box like Tom

3108
02:08:13,140 --> 02:08:11,530
DeLonge they're going to put it in

3109
02:08:14,970 --> 02:08:13,150
Hollywood and they've got this exclusive

3110
02:08:16,650 --> 02:08:14,980
story and stuff like that and to me

3111
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:16,660
that's that's that's not how it works

3112
02:08:21,870 --> 02:08:20,110
that you have to get this story out if

3113
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:21,880
it's I call it the most important story

3114
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:23,770
of all times if you realize what's

3115
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:25,690
actually going on here there is no more

3116
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:27,730
important story in the world and you and

3117
02:08:32,580 --> 02:08:30,610
I Jimmy you I you're having your role by

3118
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:32,590
putting this stuff out we are like

3119
02:08:36,660 --> 02:08:34,480
playing in the Super Bowl of all stories

3120
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:36,670
we got to be in the stadium we got to be

3121
02:08:39,570 --> 02:08:38,410
part of this story we could be people

3122
02:08:41,610 --> 02:08:39,580
who are watching Monday Night Football

3123
02:08:43,110 --> 02:08:41,620
and not have any idea what's going on

3124
02:08:44,610 --> 02:08:43,120
right we're part of this story we're

3125
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:44,620
putting this story out and to me it's

3126
02:08:47,670 --> 02:08:46,090
the one of the most important things you

3127
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:47,680
could possibly come into this world to

3128
02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:49,630
do and I think we agreed to do this we

3129
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:51,250
come in to do this thing we play our

3130
02:08:55,590 --> 02:08:52,810
role and I'm not going to have somebody

3131
02:08:57,450 --> 02:08:55,600
sign me off and say okay you know so

3132
02:08:59,640 --> 02:08:57,460
what I know I mean big deal

3133
02:09:01,710 --> 02:08:59,650
it doesn't help anybody if I know it

3134
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:01,720
only helps people if I are able to

3135
02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:03,490
figure this stuff out and put two people

3136
02:09:08,340 --> 02:09:05,980
what I've heard do you think that the

3137
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:08,350
aviary I want to stay on this a little

3138
02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:10,990
bit because the aviary to me when that

3139
02:09:15,390 --> 02:09:13,150
was playing out was was some of the best

3140
02:09:17,940 --> 02:09:15,400
reading ever right I was always waiting

3141
02:09:22,260 --> 02:09:17,950
for the for the new pose and the new the

3142
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:22,270
new information but I felt that at that

3143
02:09:28,860 --> 02:09:24,970
time and I feel almost stronger today

3144
02:09:32,420 --> 02:09:28,870
that it was a complete disinfo campaign

3145
02:09:35,580 --> 02:09:32,430
that it was a government fueled

3146
02:09:37,670 --> 02:09:35,590
disinformation program do you think

3147
02:09:40,230 --> 02:09:37,680
there was a basis of truth to it

3148
02:09:42,330 --> 02:09:40,240
no the way I saw the Averys you see what

3149
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:42,340
the Avery was was Bill Moore gave these

3150
02:09:46,830 --> 02:09:45,130
guys names and most of these guys didn't

3151
02:09:48,130 --> 02:09:46,840
even know they were Avery they had no

3152
02:09:50,710 --> 02:09:48,140
idea like I remember

3153
02:09:52,540 --> 02:09:50,720
they Scott Jones right was it was with

3154
02:09:54,370 --> 02:09:52,550
Rockefeller when they did the briefing

3155
02:09:56,680 --> 02:09:54,380
of the science advisor right and he was

3156
02:09:58,540 --> 02:09:56,690
always rumored to be the the Falken and

3157
02:10:00,040 --> 02:09:58,550
that was a big guy well when Bill Moore

3158
02:10:02,140 --> 02:10:00,050
came forward and said it was the CIA

3159
02:10:03,700 --> 02:10:02,150
Rick I bribed a retirement which is the

3160
02:10:05,260 --> 02:10:03,710
pattern they bring somebody out of

3161
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:05,270
retirement that's what happened semi van

3162
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:07,130
they bring him out of retirement because

3163
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:09,290
it's black ops then you there's no

3164
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:10,490
connection to the government they bring

3165
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:14,210
him in on a contract and so most of the

3166
02:10:17,260 --> 02:10:15,290
Avery didn't know who they were and when

3167
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:17,270
when when the Avery when the Falcon was

3168
02:10:20,890 --> 02:10:19,280
made public I went to Scott Jones I said

3169
02:10:22,270 --> 02:10:20,900
oh they found out you were at the Falcon

3170
02:10:24,130 --> 02:10:22,280
he said well I've been named three

3171
02:10:25,900 --> 02:10:24,140
different birds I have no idea none of

3172
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:25,910
them knew who they were so only bill

3173
02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:27,530
Moore and who they were so the thing

3174
02:10:31,870 --> 02:10:29,570
with the Avery was when these names

3175
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:31,880
started to circulate around in the 1980s

3176
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:34,010
all these guys like KITT green and he'll

3177
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:39,470
put off in jock valet and Ron Collins

3178
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:41,450
and bode now Dodi was doing the

3179
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:42,890
disinformation but you got to remember

3180
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:45,650
that Ron Pandolfi is an intelligence

3181
02:10:50,050 --> 02:10:48,290
officer Jim semi van is an intelligence

3182
02:10:52,060 --> 02:10:50,060
officer and Richard Doty is a

3183
02:10:54,130 --> 02:10:52,070
counterintelligence officer right a

3184
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:54,140
counterintelligence officer is there to

3185
02:10:59,890 --> 02:10:57,440
screw up the mess so when when bennewitz

3186
02:11:02,260 --> 02:10:59,900
comes out and says he's seeing nuclear

3187
02:11:04,330 --> 02:11:02,270
weapons over the Manzano weapons storage

3188
02:11:05,980 --> 02:11:04,340
area we don't want people knowing that

3189
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:05,990
there's a direct connection that's what

3190
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:07,610
I do it when I do Charlie Red Star I do

3191
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:09,410
the connection to nuclear weapons that

3192
02:11:13,450 --> 02:11:12,110
is one of the key things that they're

3193
02:11:15,190 --> 02:11:13,460
trying that they are not going to

3194
02:11:16,660 --> 02:11:15,200
release this is classified is the

3195
02:11:18,580 --> 02:11:16,670
nuclear weapon connection they don't

3196
02:11:20,200 --> 02:11:18,590
want you to know that we're messing up

3197
02:11:22,690 --> 02:11:20,210
the world that these nuclear weapons are

3198
02:11:24,820 --> 02:11:22,700
of great concern to the intelligence so

3199
02:11:26,500 --> 02:11:24,830
when Benowitz brings that out the

3200
02:11:28,090 --> 02:11:26,510
counterintelligence people Richard Doty

3201
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:28,100
and the rest of the people at Edwards

3202
02:11:33,250 --> 02:11:30,800
Air Force Base had to take him down you

3203
02:11:35,950 --> 02:11:33,260
cannot get that story the same as when

3204
02:11:38,260 --> 02:11:35,960
Linda Howe was doing the cattle

3205
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:38,270
mutilation thing in 1983 she is

3206
02:11:42,070 --> 02:11:40,250
contacted by Richard she contacts

3207
02:11:44,380 --> 02:11:42,080
Richard Doty right he wants an interview

3208
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:44,390
and she's doing that cattle mutilation

3209
02:11:48,070 --> 02:11:46,250
thing she's done she's won the Emmy

3210
02:11:49,690 --> 02:11:48,080
Award she's in Denver she wins the Emmy

3211
02:11:52,090 --> 02:11:49,700
Award in Denver for the cattle

3212
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:52,100
mutilation the extrange harvest now

3213
02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:54,320
she's going to do an HBO documentary on

3214
02:11:59,590 --> 02:11:56,450
cattle mutilations and she's going to do

3215
02:12:01,630 --> 02:11:59,600
the big-time thing so Richard Doty has

3216
02:12:02,140 --> 02:12:01,640
to turn her off this thing he has to

3217
02:12:03,940 --> 02:12:02,150
stop

3218
02:12:06,010 --> 02:12:03,950
so he offers the whole mayor first base

3219
02:12:08,410 --> 02:12:06,020
film he messes around with her and he

3220
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:08,420
kills the documentary we don't want

3221
02:12:12,580 --> 02:12:10,850
people to know about cattle mutilations

3222
02:12:15,550 --> 02:12:12,590
because cattle mutilations are connected

3223
02:12:17,260 --> 02:12:15,560
to nuclear weapons all cattle

3224
02:12:20,410 --> 02:12:17,270
mutilations according to david perkins

3225
02:12:23,140 --> 02:12:20,420
who has the biggest cattle the catalogue

3226
02:12:25,690 --> 02:12:23,150
of sightings he says all categorizations

3227
02:12:27,730 --> 02:12:25,700
are downwind and downstream from nuclear

3228
02:12:28,570 --> 02:12:27,740
power activities and you don't want that

3229
02:12:30,130 --> 02:12:28,580
connection you don't want that

3230
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:30,140
connection in nuclear weapons so you

3231
02:12:33,610 --> 02:12:31,520
don't want them to how running around

3232
02:12:35,710 --> 02:12:33,620
talking about cattle mutilations you've

3233
02:12:37,210 --> 02:12:35,720
got to kill this documentary and that's

3234
02:12:39,340 --> 02:12:37,220
the first thing you said to her when he

3235
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:39,350
did when he when she first had the

3236
02:12:43,210 --> 02:12:41,210
interview he said the government did not

3237
02:12:45,100 --> 02:12:43,220
like the documentary you did on cattle

3238
02:12:47,500 --> 02:12:45,110
relations but the Avery don't know who

3239
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:47,510
they are and once the Avery were sort of

3240
02:12:51,070 --> 02:12:49,370
made public who these names were then

3241
02:12:52,930 --> 02:12:51,080
they sort of they would they would talk

3242
02:12:54,430 --> 02:12:52,940
to each other because the Avery of the

3243
02:12:56,650 --> 02:12:54,440
same as you and I for example I'll give

3244
02:12:58,150 --> 02:12:56,660
you an example get green who did the

3245
02:13:02,500 --> 02:12:58,160
sort of the briefings for the president

3246
02:13:04,750 --> 02:13:02,510
from 69 to 83 is a physiologist he's a

3247
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:04,760
doctor and he's in he's doing the MRIs

3248
02:13:09,970 --> 02:13:08,000
and he's working at university I think

3249
02:13:13,660 --> 02:13:09,980
Wayne State University in in Michigan

3250
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:13,670
and he could never get briefed this is

3251
02:13:18,670 --> 02:13:14,930
what I was told he could never get

3252
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:18,680
briefed on the autopsies he's a doctor

3253
02:13:22,780 --> 02:13:20,330
he was fascinated he wanted to know

3254
02:13:25,180 --> 02:13:22,790
about the autopsy and he knew all sorts

3255
02:13:27,670 --> 02:13:25,190
of bits of the UFO story but he couldn't

3256
02:13:29,290 --> 02:13:27,680
get briefed on on the on the on the the

3257
02:13:30,460 --> 02:13:29,300
thing because it's all need-to-know you

3258
02:13:32,140 --> 02:13:30,470
don't need to know about that part you

3259
02:13:34,540 --> 02:13:32,150
only need to know about this so all the

3260
02:13:37,150 --> 02:13:34,550
Averys just what they are is guys who at

3261
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:37,160
some point like helped put off had their

3262
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:38,690
stories told by helped put off that he

3263
02:13:43,330 --> 02:13:41,210
ran up against the UFO phenomena during

3264
02:13:45,700 --> 02:13:43,340
his career and he became fascinated with

3265
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:45,710
the subject so he so when you find out

3266
02:13:51,070 --> 02:13:49,370
that that Collins knows about it and Ron

3267
02:13:52,900 --> 02:13:51,080
Pandolfi knows about it and Kate green

3268
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:52,910
knows about it then all these guys start

3269
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:54,410
talking to each other because they're

3270
02:13:56,980 --> 02:13:55,730
trying to figure out the same as you and

3271
02:13:58,180 --> 02:13:56,990
I they're trying to figure out the story

3272
02:13:59,410 --> 02:13:58,190
they don't know the whole story

3273
02:14:01,900 --> 02:13:59,420
themselves as they're trying to figure

3274
02:14:04,270 --> 02:14:01,910
it out but it's not some group that sort

3275
02:14:06,130 --> 02:14:04,280
of works in unison for the US government

3276
02:14:08,230 --> 02:14:06,140
these are just high-level people who

3277
02:14:10,150 --> 02:14:08,240
have encountered the phenomena during

3278
02:14:13,470 --> 02:14:10,160
their career and are trying to figure it

3279
02:14:17,170 --> 02:14:13,480
out just like you and I the

3280
02:14:19,210 --> 02:14:17,180
disclosure means so much to so many

3281
02:14:22,900 --> 02:14:19,220
different things to different people and

3282
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:22,910
it's almost a personal definition on

3283
02:14:28,660 --> 02:14:26,810
what disclosure is how do you think well

3284
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:28,670
first off I want your definition we got

3285
02:14:33,940 --> 02:14:30,410
to take a break here what's your

3286
02:14:38,260 --> 02:14:33,950
definition of disclosure disclosure

3287
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:38,270
means to reveal that's the so when Ron

3288
02:14:42,820 --> 02:14:41,210
Pandolfi has a go-to meeting that's

3289
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:42,830
disclosure that's revealing but what

3290
02:14:47,110 --> 02:14:45,050
most people think of disclosure is I

3291
02:14:48,970 --> 02:14:47,120
want the president to stand up I want

3292
02:14:51,460 --> 02:14:48,980
some entertainment I've got the two cars

3293
02:14:53,310 --> 02:14:51,470
and the house and I'm kind of bored and

3294
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:53,320
I want to know what's going on and

3295
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:55,490
curiosity is not sufficient need to know

3296
02:14:59,940 --> 02:14:57,530
that's what Bush told Jimmy Carter

3297
02:15:02,110 --> 02:14:59,950
curiosity is not sufficient need to know

3298
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:02,120
everybody wants full disclosure they

3299
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:04,130
just want the government to tell us

3300
02:15:06,940 --> 02:15:05,840
what's going on but that is not going to

3301
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:06,950
happen there but there's always

3302
02:15:13,270 --> 02:15:09,530
disclosure they're revealing stuff every

3303
02:15:15,940 --> 02:15:13,280
day because for me you know you've got

3304
02:15:17,890 --> 02:15:15,950
charlie red star you had there were

3305
02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:17,900
hundreds of people that's still one of

3306
02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:21,110
the best experiences out there and and

3307
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:23,720
it's your story it's amazing but there

3308
02:15:28,120 --> 02:15:25,610
were people that there were you weren't

3309
02:15:31,480 --> 02:15:28,130
the only witness right right you don't

3310
02:15:34,060 --> 02:15:31,490
need disclosure right grant Mallya had

3311
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:34,070
it you've had it I've had my dive had my

3312
02:15:39,610 --> 02:15:37,730
sightings I know nobody needs to tell me

3313
02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:39,620
what's going on I know what's going on

3314
02:15:43,150 --> 02:15:40,730
I've seen it with Mount

3315
02:15:47,260 --> 02:15:43,160
I don't need disclosure why does

3316
02:15:49,300 --> 02:15:47,270
everybody need disclosure I mean III

3317
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:49,310
don't understand that part of it because

3318
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:52,190
it's a word that is bandied about all

3319
02:15:56,890 --> 02:15:55,370
day long and ethology today yeah but for

3320
02:15:58,900 --> 02:15:56,900
most people it's just they're they're

3321
02:16:00,310 --> 02:15:58,910
bored they want some good story they

3322
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:00,320
would say they don't want to play the

3323
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:02,930
riddles they just want someone to to

3324
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:04,580
tell me what's going on and then we'll

3325
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:06,710
go on to another subject and what I say

3326
02:16:11,230 --> 02:16:09,110
is because I'm the same with you when

3327
02:16:13,540 --> 02:16:11,240
you see something if you see something

3328
02:16:16,030 --> 02:16:13,550
you know otherwise all you can do is

3329
02:16:19,630 --> 02:16:16,040
disbelieve or believe and neither means

3330
02:16:20,830 --> 02:16:19,640
anything so what I say is if you see

3331
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:20,840
something the only thing that really

3332
02:16:27,070 --> 02:16:23,570
matters is what's my role in this whole

3333
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:27,080
thing what am I supposed to be doing in

3334
02:16:31,570 --> 02:16:29,810
this whole thing it's it's it's not what

3335
02:16:33,370 --> 02:16:31,580
you knew it's not what cards are dealt

3336
02:16:35,650 --> 02:16:33,380
to you it's how you play the cards and

3337
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:35,660
most people think that they want better

3338
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,240
cards I quit dealing me threes and fours

3339
02:16:41,020 --> 02:16:39,920
start dealing me some aces I want to

3340
02:16:43,390 --> 02:16:41,030
know what's really going on here and

3341
02:16:44,770 --> 02:16:43,400
it's really irrelevant it's what you're

3342
02:16:46,900 --> 02:16:44,780
doing with what you've got

3343
02:16:48,310 --> 02:16:46,910
I mean if you know and you don't do

3344
02:16:49,780 --> 02:16:48,320
anything with it I mean it's like the

3345
02:16:52,180 --> 02:16:49,790
edgar cayce the great psychic said

3346
02:16:53,890 --> 02:16:52,190
knowledge not use this sin I mean that's

3347
02:16:55,510 --> 02:16:53,900
it's it's got to do with how you're

3348
02:16:57,790 --> 02:16:55,520
living your life it's really got nothing

3349
02:16:59,470 --> 02:16:57,800
to do with what you know in it and

3350
02:17:00,669 --> 02:16:59,480
that's why I'm always disappointed when

3351
02:17:02,650 --> 02:17:00,679
people say oh we're going to do a sky

3352
02:17:04,089 --> 02:17:02,660
watch and then you go see the sky watch

3353
02:17:06,339 --> 02:17:04,099
and there people are arguing about this

3354
02:17:07,540 --> 02:17:06,349
star or whatever and it's what's moving

3355
02:17:09,070 --> 02:17:07,550
it's like you know it's moving so it's

3356
02:17:10,839 --> 02:17:09,080
not and it's like are you kidding me

3357
02:17:12,910 --> 02:17:10,849
folks I'm going to bed it's like if you

3358
02:17:15,700 --> 02:17:12,920
saw what I saw I'm mad I'm in this work

3359
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:15,710
I don't I don't need anything exactly

3360
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:17,090
let's take a break right here grant I

3361
02:17:21,700 --> 02:17:20,090
need you to do a little overtime with us

3362
02:17:22,379 --> 02:17:21,710
can you hang out for another 10-15

3363
02:17:24,669 --> 02:17:22,389
minutes

3364
02:17:28,570 --> 02:17:24,679
that's what I'm talking about grant

3365
02:17:31,930 --> 02:17:28,580
Cameron that's why he was researcher of

3366
02:17:34,180 --> 02:17:31,940
the year international researcher of the

3367
02:17:34,900 --> 02:17:34,190
year grant Cameron is with us this is

3368
02:17:36,700 --> 02:17:34,910
fade to black

3369
02:17:39,119 --> 02:17:36,710
stay with us everybody more with Grant

3370
02:17:58,839 --> 02:17:39,129
right after this short break

3371
02:18:02,810 --> 02:18:00,709
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[Music]

3441
02:22:02,970 --> 02:21:59,790
welcome back to pay to black doing a

3442
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,980
little overtime with the grand Cameron

3443
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:04,720
I'm your host Amy Church on the game

3444
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:09,090
changer Network 10k GRA the planet now

3445
02:22:15,180 --> 02:22:11,530
grant something that you didn't know

3446
02:22:18,210 --> 02:22:15,190
about tonight our stream this is what's

3447
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:18,220
really straining our stream out to the

3448
02:22:25,890 --> 02:22:21,040
network was messed with for about a half

3449
02:22:28,350 --> 02:22:25,900
an hour and all other ins and outs here

3450
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:28,360
at the studio our our connection our

3451
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:30,490
communication all everything else was

3452
02:22:35,730 --> 02:22:33,370
fine and as soon as we started dropping

3453
02:22:38,190 --> 02:22:35,740
names and we're going straight at the

3454
02:22:40,170 --> 02:22:38,200
CIA and talking about the White House

3455
02:22:43,530 --> 02:22:40,180
the stream started to get interrupted

3456
02:22:45,960 --> 02:22:43,540
you and I didn't I immediately clicked

3457
02:22:48,330 --> 02:22:45,970
over to backups we have everything being

3458
02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:48,340
recorded and there's backup to the

3459
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:51,220
backup and the show will always be

3460
02:22:57,960 --> 02:22:53,530
archived in in its entirety

3461
02:22:59,910 --> 02:22:57,970
but the radio audience was and it was

3462
02:23:05,011 --> 02:22:59,920
I've never seen it like that I've never

3463
02:23:08,820 --> 02:23:05,021
seen the stream interrupted very very

3464
02:23:11,370 --> 02:23:08,830
very strange but you know I acted like

3465
02:23:13,350 --> 02:23:11,380
there was nothing going on and you and I

3466
02:23:15,810 --> 02:23:13,360
continue the interview because I knew

3467
02:23:19,170 --> 02:23:15,820
that everything was being recorded and

3468
02:23:21,810 --> 02:23:19,180
backed up and we would have the whole

3469
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:21,820
show up afterwards edie for the last

3470
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:24,730
hour everything has been fine very

3471
02:23:32,341 --> 02:23:29,050
strange very very very strange it was if

3472
02:23:33,930 --> 02:23:32,351
I call it entertainment you know that's

3473
02:23:37,350 --> 02:23:33,940
a good that's a good item that's a good

3474
02:23:39,060 --> 02:23:37,360
thing to have happen because you know

3475
02:23:41,130 --> 02:23:39,070
once you talk about it and I talk about

3476
02:23:42,900 --> 02:23:41,140
on Facebook now everybody's going to

3477
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:42,910
listen yep gonna go like it looks like

3478
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,690
it's like this one thing about Dan Smith

3479
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:48,640
put this thing about this John guy

3480
02:23:54,780 --> 02:23:51,570
there's a guy connected to Ron Pandolfi

3481
02:23:57,600 --> 02:23:54,790
he's an ex-marine guy and he'd never

3482
02:23:59,301 --> 02:23:57,610
talks and never says Hank and they put

3483
02:24:02,490 --> 02:23:59,311
out a posting this morning that said

3484
02:24:04,051 --> 02:24:02,500
what did John say Ron said that John

3485
02:24:06,180 --> 02:24:04,061
said something very significant that

3486
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:06,190
nobody picked up on and so then

3487
02:24:08,700 --> 02:24:07,330
everybody's trying to figure out what it

3488
02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:08,710
is and that's what you select

3489
02:24:12,210 --> 02:24:10,690
a little hook that I mean if they

3490
02:24:14,190 --> 02:24:12,220
thought that was going to sort of

3491
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:14,200
disrupt everything all it does is make

3492
02:24:18,300 --> 02:24:17,050
more people eager on it I remember I did

3493
02:24:20,820 --> 02:24:18,310
an interview I mean from ever Gerry

3494
02:24:23,850 --> 02:24:20,830
Pippen years ago I did an interview when

3495
02:24:26,910 --> 02:24:23,860
I would have released a book UFOs area

3496
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:26,920
51 and government informants right when

3497
02:24:31,620 --> 02:24:29,170
Jerry was broadcasting that the producer

3498
02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:31,630
out of Chicago said there was six people

3499
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:34,720
the CIA had logged in and then suddenly

3500
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:37,210
a half an hour later two other people

3501
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:42,640
had logged in and Jen and Jerry said

3502
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:45,520
come on guys don't just log in call in I

3503
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:48,190
mean come on get on the show like

3504
02:24:51,270 --> 02:24:50,080
challenging him and that's and that's

3505
02:24:52,950 --> 02:24:51,280
the whole thing it's like you know I've

3506
02:24:54,270 --> 02:24:52,960
and and I've said you know people will

3507
02:24:56,100 --> 02:24:54,280
think well you know they're trying to

3508
02:24:57,840 --> 02:24:56,110
knock you off or try to do whatever I

3509
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,850
said I mean if anybody ever was going to

3510
02:25:00,660 --> 02:24:59,200
get knocked off it should be me I mean

3511
02:25:03,450 --> 02:25:00,670
I've chased the President of the United

3512
02:25:06,360 --> 02:25:03,460
States the head scientist for the CIA in

3513
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:06,370
my book managing magic I need 20 people

3514
02:25:10,530 --> 02:25:08,650
in the CIA and and Ron's read the book

3515
02:25:12,180 --> 02:25:10,540
they all know it's there I mean all the

3516
02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:12,190
lot of the Avery guys have read the book

3517
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:14,380
and you know some people will say

3518
02:25:17,190 --> 02:25:15,760
everything I've got in there is wrong

3519
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:17,200
you know I'm making it up and that may

3520
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:19,450
be true but I always have a sort of a

3521
02:25:25,020 --> 02:25:22,570
backup I say I mean everything I may say

3522
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:25,030
is wrong but I'll make you a promise you

3523
02:25:29,610 --> 02:25:27,610
give me a full interview under oath all

3524
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:29,620
you guys and you give me the documents

3525
02:25:34,140 --> 02:25:31,930
and I'll correct everything that's in

3526
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,150
right yeah you doing I'm doing the best

3527
02:25:39,300 --> 02:25:36,640
I can it's the best I can come up with

3528
02:25:41,250 --> 02:25:39,310
and but they don't say anything they you

3529
02:25:42,540 --> 02:25:41,260
know you're behind the scenes that

3530
02:25:44,580 --> 02:25:42,550
they're very upset about I'm quoting

3531
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:44,590
certain people or whatever and that you

3532
02:25:47,969 --> 02:25:46,210
know I'm making stuff up or whatever but

3533
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:47,979
it's the best I've got

3534
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:50,080
based upon what I've heard and I've

3535
02:25:58,940 --> 02:25:53,290
heard a lot of stuff now I have that

3536
02:26:02,730 --> 02:25:58,950
back to the disclosure conversation the

3537
02:26:05,550 --> 02:26:02,740
it's I think this is my take I want your

3538
02:26:09,330 --> 02:26:05,560
comment I think the disclosure that

3539
02:26:11,610 --> 02:26:09,340
everybody wants and and needs is going

3540
02:26:13,740 --> 02:26:11,620
to be an accident when it happens I I

3541
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:13,750
think it will be something outside of

3542
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:17,290
our circles it could be a WikiLeaks dump

3543
02:26:20,881 --> 02:26:19,930
it could be a government hack it could

3544
02:26:23,761 --> 02:26:20,891
be it you know

3545
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:23,771
somebody going after files and then they

3546
02:26:28,650 --> 02:26:25,570
you know looking for something else and

3547
02:26:31,171 --> 02:26:28,660
gets a data dump of this and then it

3548
02:26:34,650 --> 02:26:31,181
goes out on to the net and it will be

3549
02:26:36,180 --> 02:26:34,660
out of the government's control that's

3550
02:26:37,770 --> 02:26:36,190
how I think it's going to happen and

3551
02:26:39,331 --> 02:26:37,780
then the government setting it up that

3552
02:26:40,980 --> 02:26:39,341
way Bill Clinton free if you listen to

3553
02:26:42,900 --> 02:26:40,990
Steven Greer Steven Greer talked about

3554
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:42,910
this friend of Bill he had this he put

3555
02:26:46,740 --> 02:26:44,710
the material through the bill and the

3556
02:26:49,650 --> 02:26:46,750
message came back from the friend of

3557
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:49,660
bill that said I can't do it but you can

3558
02:26:54,060 --> 02:26:52,330
and Steven said I'm just a mergency room

3559
02:26:55,381 --> 02:26:54,070
doctor the president's got to do it and

3560
02:26:57,450 --> 02:26:55,391
he said no the president's afraid he's

3561
02:26:59,700 --> 02:26:57,460
going to end up like JFK but this story

3562
02:27:02,761 --> 02:26:59,710
I've heard numerous times we can't do it

3563
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:02,771
but you can James Fox was told this and

3564
02:27:06,541 --> 02:27:04,450
so was Steven Greer when they went up on

3565
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:06,551
the hill to these very senators and

3566
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:09,730
congressmen they said we need some cover

3567
02:27:14,581 --> 02:27:12,610
we need you to provide us some cover as

3568
02:27:15,810 --> 02:27:14,591
long as there's only you me and a you

3569
02:27:17,310 --> 02:27:15,820
know a couple thousand people who are

3570
02:27:19,410 --> 02:27:17,320
really into this I know what's going on

3571
02:27:22,081 --> 02:27:19,420
that there's really no cover I mean

3572
02:27:24,631 --> 02:27:22,091
that's it's like a death issue that when

3573
02:27:26,700 --> 02:27:24,641
I think it was Fox was told once you get

3574
02:27:28,740 --> 02:27:26,710
the parade going will lead the parade

3575
02:27:30,270 --> 02:27:28,750
but we need some cover and so they

3576
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:30,280
that's the way they've sort of set it up

3577
02:27:33,450 --> 02:27:32,170
is for us to try to force them but it

3578
02:27:34,921 --> 02:27:33,460
almost has happened a number of times

3579
02:27:35,761 --> 02:27:34,931
and that's why I say like a lot of

3580
02:27:40,291 --> 02:27:35,771
people say well when the president

3581
02:27:42,810 --> 02:27:40,301
discloses well Jimmy Truman said after

3582
02:27:44,660 --> 02:27:42,820
the overflight of 1952 and we've got on

3583
02:27:48,690 --> 02:27:44,670
video and I played it during during

3584
02:27:51,390 --> 02:27:48,700
presentations he said yes we discussed

3585
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:51,400
that subject we at every meeting that we

3586
02:27:54,450 --> 02:27:53,290
had with the military there was lots of

3587
02:27:57,470 --> 02:27:54,460
those things going on at that time

3588
02:28:01,440 --> 02:27:57,480
flying saucers and the like Jimmy have

3589
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:01,450
Ronald Reagan after et was screened at

3590
02:28:05,671 --> 02:28:03,610
the White House 39 people there George

3591
02:28:08,700 --> 02:28:05,681
Bush the ambassador to Great Britain two

3592
02:28:10,200 --> 02:28:08,710
astronauts a head of NASA all these 39

3593
02:28:12,421 --> 02:28:10,210
people were in the room according to

3594
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:12,431
Steven Spielberg we got on tape Ronald

3595
02:28:15,961 --> 02:28:14,110
Reagan stood up he looked around the

3596
02:28:17,341 --> 02:28:15,971
room like he was doing a headcount and

3597
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:17,351
he said Steven we'd like to thank you

3598
02:28:21,331 --> 02:28:19,210
for bringing et the extra-terrestrial to

3599
02:28:23,131 --> 02:28:21,341
the White House and I'd like I just like

3600
02:28:24,541 --> 02:28:23,141
to say that there are probably only a

3601
02:28:26,131 --> 02:28:24,551
couple of people in this room that know

3602
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:26,141
that everything that was on that screen

3603
02:28:31,230 --> 02:28:29,200
is absolutely true and Spielberg said he

3604
02:28:32,940 --> 02:28:31,240
said it without smiling so you get these

3605
02:28:34,801 --> 02:28:32,950
situations where the president says it

3606
02:28:37,711 --> 02:28:34,811
and nobody picks up on it but it

3607
02:28:39,150 --> 02:28:37,721
almost happened last May and this

3608
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:39,160
happened with Hillary Clinton Hillary

3609
02:28:42,660 --> 02:28:40,690
Clinton started talking and again

3610
02:28:44,790 --> 02:28:42,670
Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton never

3611
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:44,800
brought up the subject but she answered

3612
02:28:49,470 --> 02:28:47,170
three questions and the way it started

3613
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:49,480
was John Podesta said to Lena Dunham

3614
02:28:54,091 --> 02:28:52,450
next time ask her about the aliens and

3615
02:28:56,400 --> 02:28:54,101
they were trying to get somebody in the

3616
02:28:58,051 --> 02:28:56,410
media to ask Hillary about the aliens

3617
02:28:59,100 --> 02:28:58,061
and every time Hillary would talk about

3618
02:29:00,660 --> 02:28:59,110
it and she's talking about the

3619
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:00,670
Rockefeller initiative she's been very

3620
02:29:03,511 --> 02:29:02,170
open every time she's not been asked

3621
02:29:07,470 --> 02:29:03,521
about it but she's never brought off the

3622
02:29:08,970 --> 02:29:07,480
subject so you get you get Hillary in

3623
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:08,980
the situation where she's talking about

3624
02:29:16,711 --> 02:29:11,920
it and then what happens is on May the

3625
02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:16,721
10th 2000 2016 the New York Times does a

3626
02:29:22,860 --> 02:29:20,290
straight-up piece on UFOs on Hillary

3627
02:29:24,810 --> 02:29:22,870
talking about disclosure no little green

3628
02:29:28,051 --> 02:29:24,820
man though laughs laughs laughs it was a

3629
02:29:29,730 --> 02:29:28,061
straight-up piece and the next day it

3630
02:29:31,530 --> 02:29:29,740
went viral in the White House press room

3631
02:29:34,770 --> 02:29:31,540
and there was three people that ask

3632
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:34,780
questions and they asked it to the press

3633
02:29:40,020 --> 02:29:37,450
secretary and they said Hillary Clinton

3634
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:40,030
said she's going to disclose is this

3635
02:29:44,341 --> 02:29:42,610
thing for real is this story for real

3636
02:29:48,570 --> 02:29:44,351
and they're asking the White House press

3637
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:48,580
secretary and he says well I just want

3638
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:50,860
to let you know I don't have that tab in

3639
02:29:55,801 --> 02:29:52,960
my briefing book I wasn't briefed on

3640
02:29:59,430 --> 02:29:55,811
that but the president has laughingly as

3641
02:30:01,890 --> 02:29:59,440
jokingly indicated that he has accessed

3642
02:30:05,310 --> 02:30:01,900
this job gives them access to that kind

3643
02:30:07,261 --> 02:30:05,320
of material you should ask him it'll be

3644
02:30:09,720 --> 02:30:07,271
interesting and then another question

3645
02:30:11,970 --> 02:30:09,730
comes up is this thing for real is this

3646
02:30:14,940 --> 02:30:11,980
is this for real are you going is Barack

3647
02:30:17,370 --> 02:30:14,950
Obama going to beat the Hillary to the

3648
02:30:19,320 --> 02:30:17,380
punch is he going to disclose and again

3649
02:30:21,780 --> 02:30:19,330
the press secretary has an out he says I

3650
02:30:24,540 --> 02:30:21,790
wasn't briefed on that subject I can't

3651
02:30:27,900 --> 02:30:24,550
answer the subject and then on the 16th

3652
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:27,910
this African American reporter McKenna

3653
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:29,920
member her name stands up and she says

3654
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:32,170
what about Roswell well is this

3655
02:30:37,530 --> 02:30:34,210
classified are you keeping this secret

3656
02:30:39,060 --> 02:30:37,540
and again the White House guy starts

3657
02:30:41,430 --> 02:30:39,070
taking a drink of water she says to look

3658
02:30:42,751 --> 02:30:41,440
you're doing the dance you're getting to

3659
02:30:43,770 --> 02:30:42,761
drink a water you're trying to figure

3660
02:30:45,841 --> 02:30:43,780
out how you're going to walk around my

3661
02:30:48,510 --> 02:30:45,851
question and you have this situation

3662
02:30:50,179 --> 02:30:48,520
where suddenly the White House press

3663
02:30:52,260 --> 02:30:50,189
people suddenly wake up and they realize

3664
02:30:54,090 --> 02:30:52,270
Hilary's talking about this thing

3665
02:30:56,490 --> 02:30:54,100
this thing's for real the only thing

3666
02:30:58,439 --> 02:30:56,500
that saved disclosure the only thing

3667
02:31:01,740 --> 02:30:58,449
that saved the president is that Barack

3668
02:31:03,450 --> 02:31:01,750
Obama was in Japan at the time he wasn't

3669
02:31:05,219 --> 02:31:03,460
there that question had been put to the

3670
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:05,229
president he would have been confronted

3671
02:31:08,969 --> 02:31:06,850
but the president has never been

3672
02:31:11,849 --> 02:31:08,979
confronted with the question by his on a

3673
02:31:13,349 --> 02:31:11,859
serious basis because everybody thinks

3674
02:31:14,670 --> 02:31:13,359
it's a cabal everybody thinks it's the

3675
02:31:15,899 --> 02:31:14,680
Wizard of Oz everybody thinks the

3676
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:15,909
president doesn't know what's going on

3677
02:31:19,620 --> 02:31:18,250
and so nobody asks him the question if

3678
02:31:21,960 --> 02:31:19,630
you were to get the question and that's

3679
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:21,970
what happened with the GQ magazine where

3680
02:31:25,410 --> 02:31:23,770
they asked him to sort of add indirectly

3681
02:31:28,590 --> 02:31:25,420
ask them the question of Barack says oh

3682
02:31:32,069 --> 02:31:28,600
it's for real and it's not as exciting

3683
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,079
as you think it is and then I say the GQ

3684
02:31:36,149 --> 02:31:34,000
magazine guy he either fell asleep or

3685
02:31:37,950 --> 02:31:36,159
had a stroke Rose is very very next

3686
02:31:39,149 --> 02:31:37,960
question was would you like to be a

3687
02:31:41,609 --> 02:31:39,159
Supreme Court justice

3688
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:41,619
like he just handed you the story right

3689
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:43,329
and nobody picked up on the story so

3690
02:31:47,580 --> 02:31:45,850
it's not so much the fact that the

3691
02:31:50,819 --> 02:31:47,590
president is putting it out it's that

3692
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:50,829
the media is in a situation where if you

3693
02:31:55,889 --> 02:31:52,810
remember back during the Clinton

3694
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:55,899
administration when Hubble talks about

3695
02:32:00,179 --> 02:31:58,960
the fact that he when Bill was elected

3696
02:32:02,340 --> 02:32:00,189
not when he was president but when he's

3697
02:32:04,769 --> 02:32:02,350
president elect he said the Hubble if I

3698
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:04,779
put you over there in justice I want you

3699
02:32:08,639 --> 02:32:05,920
to find out the answer to two questions

3700
02:32:13,170 --> 02:32:08,649
number one who killed JFK and number two

3701
02:32:14,819 --> 02:32:13,180
are there UFOs and so when Hubble leaves

3702
02:32:17,340 --> 02:32:14,829
the White House he puts this in this

3703
02:32:18,779 --> 02:32:17,350
book friends in high places and he tells

3704
02:32:20,130 --> 02:32:18,789
a story about Clinton sending him out

3705
02:32:21,630 --> 02:32:20,140
for this mission and he tries to get

3706
02:32:23,069 --> 02:32:21,640
stuff and he's not able to get anything

3707
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:23,079
he runs up against this brick wall or

3708
02:32:27,689 --> 02:32:24,880
whatever so he puts the story out the

3709
02:32:29,309 --> 02:32:27,699
day the story the book comes out a girl

3710
02:32:30,420 --> 02:32:29,319
by the name of Deborah Oren from the New

3711
02:32:32,279 --> 02:32:30,430
York Post which is a conservative

3712
02:32:34,130 --> 02:32:32,289
newspaper so she's no friend of the

3713
02:32:36,779 --> 02:32:34,140
Clintons she ran a bunch of Hillary

3714
02:32:38,939 --> 02:32:36,789
Monica Lewinsky stories she asked the

3715
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:38,949
question she said okay webster hubbell

3716
02:32:43,559 --> 02:32:42,250
puts this out in his book and he you

3717
02:32:45,149 --> 02:32:43,569
know he said that the president sent him

3718
02:32:47,130 --> 02:32:45,159
did he did he send him out to looking

3719
02:32:49,050 --> 02:32:47,140
for UFOs and the press secretary walks

3720
02:32:50,490 --> 02:32:49,060
around it he says oh no we gave that to

3721
02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:50,500
the alien there's this alien from the

3722
02:32:53,700 --> 02:32:52,090
Weekly World News that was his job we

3723
02:32:55,529 --> 02:32:53,710
gave that job to him right so she comes

3724
02:32:57,630 --> 02:32:55,539
she comes with a follow up and she says

3725
02:32:59,880 --> 02:32:57,640
is it true what mr. Hubbell writes in

3726
02:33:02,160 --> 02:32:59,890
his book and the press secretary says we

3727
02:33:04,020 --> 02:33:02,170
are not going to make comments of what

3728
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:04,030
private people put in their private

3729
02:33:09,179 --> 02:33:06,130
books and Deborah Oren in a later

3730
02:33:10,410 --> 02:33:09,189
interview says I sat there and waited

3731
02:33:12,510 --> 02:33:10,420
for someone else in the White House

3732
02:33:15,170 --> 02:33:12,520
press corps to ask a follow-up question

3733
02:33:17,490 --> 02:33:15,180
and they all rolled over and played dead

3734
02:33:19,410 --> 02:33:17,500
because they were afraid to lose their

3735
02:33:21,210 --> 02:33:19,420
credentials and that's the whole deal

3736
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:21,220
you work your way up through the media

3737
02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:22,810
through the little agencies and you go

3738
02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:24,610
up and up and suddenly you're in the

3739
02:33:28,020 --> 02:33:26,020
White House you are suddenly the

3740
02:33:31,050 --> 02:33:28,030
reporter in the White House the National

3741
02:33:32,940 --> 02:33:31,060
reporter and nobody's going to ask the

3742
02:33:35,610 --> 02:33:32,950
dumb UFO question and that's what stops

3743
02:33:37,530 --> 02:33:35,620
it it's not so much that the the they're

3744
02:33:40,050 --> 02:33:37,540
not giving you the leads is when they

3745
02:33:41,790 --> 02:33:40,060
give the leads the media still is

3746
02:33:46,260 --> 02:33:41,800
reticent to deal with the story

3747
02:33:48,420 --> 02:33:46,270
or they're there in the bag with the CIA

3748
02:33:49,710 --> 02:33:48,430
or whoever that they're told do not run

3749
02:33:52,469 --> 02:33:49,720
with that story which we've heard a

3750
02:33:55,920 --> 02:33:52,479
number of times there are probably 10 or

3751
02:33:58,080 --> 02:33:55,930
12 living still directors of the CIA

3752
02:33:58,590 --> 02:33:58,090
that are you know they're alive right

3753
02:34:02,550 --> 02:33:58,600
now

3754
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:02,560
I why not confront them and contact them

3755
02:34:07,469 --> 02:34:04,270
and it seems like they've been yapping

3756
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:07,479
pretty well lately that that documentary

3757
02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:10,560
on Stuxnet was absolutely extraordinary

3758
02:34:17,219 --> 02:34:13,330
and they were willing to talk about a

3759
02:34:20,390 --> 02:34:17,229
lot of black projects why not hit up one

3760
02:34:22,860 --> 02:34:20,400
of these X directors of the CIA Oh

3761
02:34:25,140 --> 02:34:22,870
excellent question and that's that's the

3762
02:34:25,770 --> 02:34:25,150
the $64,000 question why are they not

3763
02:34:27,360 --> 02:34:25,780
asking us

3764
02:34:29,219 --> 02:34:27,370
I remember Billy Cox if you remember

3765
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:29,229
Billy Cox he worked for the for the

3766
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:32,110
Tampa Tribune and he had worked he had

3767
02:34:35,730 --> 02:34:33,970
done UFO stories with me back in the

3768
02:34:37,290 --> 02:34:35,740
1970s on Ronald Reagan the alien

3769
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:37,300
invasion stuff so I'd known him for a

3770
02:34:41,100 --> 02:34:39,850
long time and so the chase Brandon story

3771
02:34:43,190 --> 02:34:41,110
comes forward this is the one I say

3772
02:34:45,719 --> 02:34:43,200
chase Brandon comes forward and

3773
02:34:48,210 --> 02:34:45,729
Huffington Post runs the story and they

3774
02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:48,220
have 7 million hits the first day on

3775
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:50,770
their story and this is a big story and

3776
02:34:55,500 --> 02:34:53,530
then they're doing a second interview

3777
02:34:57,980 --> 02:34:55,510
with Huffington Post he's having an

3778
02:35:01,440 --> 02:34:57,990
interview and I say okay we need to know

3779
02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:01,450
asked chase Brandon what about what was

3780
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:03,490
the CIA reaction what did they ask him

3781
02:35:06,300 --> 02:35:04,810
because he said all of his these files

3782
02:35:07,770 --> 02:35:06,310
did they go looking for the files

3783
02:35:09,240 --> 02:35:07,780
because the CIA put out the story we

3784
02:35:11,610 --> 02:35:09,250
can't find the files that chase

3785
02:35:13,380 --> 02:35:11,620
Brandon's talking about so did they did

3786
02:35:15,090 --> 02:35:13,390
they talk to him so I talked to the

3787
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:15,100
reporter at The Huffington Post and he

3788
02:35:18,210 --> 02:35:16,090
said Oh

3789
02:35:20,250 --> 02:35:18,220
while he's off the record risk I have a

3790
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:20,260
couple of beers I said are you serious

3791
02:35:26,639 --> 02:35:22,720
you've got this story you've got this

3792
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:26,649
guy this high level second guy second

3793
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:28,090
most powerful guy to talk publicly on

3794
02:35:31,290 --> 02:35:29,680
behalf of the CIA and you're going to

3795
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:31,300
have a couple of beers with the guy and

3796
02:35:36,330 --> 02:35:34,090
chase Branden basically walked back into

3797
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:36,340
the shadows and nobody ever talked to

3798
02:35:40,170 --> 02:35:37,810
him again I'll give John Alexander

3799
02:35:41,849 --> 02:35:40,180
credit he filed an FIA to find out what

3800
02:35:43,860 --> 02:35:41,859
was going on but chase Brannon was

3801
02:35:45,929 --> 02:35:43,870
chased Brandon doing today he's an

3802
02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:45,939
advisor he's a private adviser to

3803
02:35:51,330 --> 02:35:49,090
Hollywood he's doing the same job he did

3804
02:35:54,960 --> 02:35:51,340
back in the day with the CIA

3805
02:35:56,639 --> 02:35:54,970
now he's just black CIA he's doing it on

3806
02:35:59,010 --> 02:35:56,649
his own he's under contract nobody knows

3807
02:36:01,020 --> 02:35:59,020
and that may be where the portal stories

3808
02:36:03,450 --> 02:36:01,030
are coming from that maybe chase Brennan

3809
02:36:05,849 --> 02:36:03,460
so you chase Brandon gets to walk it

3810
02:36:07,710 --> 02:36:05,859
into this thing go on coast to coast

3811
02:36:09,450 --> 02:36:07,720
tell the story and then walk back in the

3812
02:36:10,920 --> 02:36:09,460
shadows and nobody even chases him there

3813
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:10,930
he just he's walked around nobody's

3814
02:36:14,250 --> 02:36:12,160
asked him anything in the last five

3815
02:36:16,410 --> 02:36:14,260
years how this thing worked out but I

3816
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:16,420
remember there was a CIA director when

3817
02:36:21,780 --> 02:36:19,450
that story broke Billy Cox had a CIA

3818
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:21,790
director gates and gates was always said

3819
02:36:25,950 --> 02:36:24,010
to be part of the Avery he was one of

3820
02:36:27,810 --> 02:36:25,960
the birds of the Avery and he and Henry

3821
02:36:30,719 --> 02:36:27,820
Kissinger had been trying to get this

3822
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:30,729
thing out in 1991 under Bush they were

3823
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:33,040
trying to disclose so Gates was one of

3824
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:35,920
the guys and gates appears in in Florida

3825
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:39,010
and Billy Cox said here's Goethe said

3826
02:36:44,099 --> 02:36:41,530
okay chase Brennan came he said and he

3827
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:44,109
was talking about this UFO and Roz Wald

3828
02:36:49,170 --> 02:36:46,510
and Billy Cox told me he said I could

3829
02:36:51,090 --> 02:36:49,180
feel the reporters moving away from me I

3830
02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:51,100
remember asking the question right and

3831
02:36:58,170 --> 02:36:55,330
all chawl a gate said was I no chase

3832
02:37:00,030 --> 02:36:58,180
very well he did some very interesting

3833
02:37:02,130 --> 02:37:00,040
work and I really don't I really can't

3834
02:37:03,660 --> 02:37:02,140
comment on that story and that's how he

3835
02:37:05,310 --> 02:37:03,670
walked around the whole thing but Billy

3836
02:37:06,840 --> 02:37:05,320
said you could see the reporters I mean

3837
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:06,850
it was like oh my god this guy's ask me

3838
02:37:11,610 --> 02:37:10,210
you know get away from this guy and but

3839
02:37:13,469 --> 02:37:11,620
the story doesn't go anywhere they can

3840
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:13,479
walk around it and you get you basically

3841
02:37:18,690 --> 02:37:16,570
get like like Deborah orange you get

3842
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:18,700
your one shot they walk around the

3843
02:37:21,870 --> 02:37:20,290
question and then what do you do how do

3844
02:37:22,290 --> 02:37:21,880
you get to them like I had you know Dick

3845
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:22,300
Cheney

3846
02:37:28,830 --> 02:37:27,250
a question on UFOs on the record and

3847
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:28,840
that's the whole thing if you can get

3848
02:37:31,830 --> 02:37:30,130
one of these guys on the record

3849
02:37:32,849 --> 02:37:31,840
if you can have a that's where they're

3850
02:37:34,500 --> 02:37:32,859
going to stop a congressional

3851
02:37:36,030 --> 02:37:34,510
investigation is because then

3852
02:37:38,370 --> 02:37:36,040
everybody's on oath and then it all

3853
02:37:41,460 --> 02:37:38,380
unravels but the way it works now is

3854
02:37:43,950 --> 02:37:41,470
they can sort of stay in the shadows and

3855
02:37:46,590 --> 02:37:43,960
the major media hasn't woken up there's

3856
02:37:49,679 --> 02:37:46,600
just about woke up in May of 2016 and

3857
02:37:51,389 --> 02:37:49,689
then after the 16th Barack wasn't back

3858
02:37:52,830 --> 02:37:51,399
and everybody just sore went back to

3859
02:37:54,929 --> 02:37:52,840
sleep again and I've contacted those

3860
02:37:56,250 --> 02:37:54,939
three reporters and said well why aren't

3861
02:37:58,620 --> 02:37:56,260
you following up on this why aren't you

3862
02:38:02,070 --> 02:37:58,630
asking the president and they just don't

3863
02:38:07,700 --> 02:38:02,080
respond well what do you make of the

3864
02:38:10,679 --> 02:38:07,710
lack of attention with the Nazca mummy

3865
02:38:13,290 --> 02:38:10,689
moves you know that that guy is brought

3866
02:38:15,210 --> 02:38:13,300
forward the media this is what I find

3867
02:38:18,330 --> 02:38:15,220
interesting about this grant is the

3868
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:18,340
media won't even report on if it's a

3869
02:38:22,979 --> 02:38:20,560
hoax right it would be a great hoax

3870
02:38:25,740 --> 02:38:22,989
story as something that they would you

3871
02:38:28,170 --> 02:38:25,750
know broadcast and laugh about and you

3872
02:38:30,210 --> 02:38:28,180
know run the x-files music and crack

3873
02:38:31,019 --> 02:38:30,220
jokes but they're not even doing that

3874
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:31,029
right now

3875
02:38:36,540 --> 02:38:33,520
why do you think the media is ignoring

3876
02:38:38,700 --> 02:38:36,550
this Nazca mummy story which could be

3877
02:38:41,580 --> 02:38:38,710
the biggest story in the history of

3878
02:38:44,609 --> 02:38:41,590
mankind I always say that the cover-up

3879
02:38:46,050 --> 02:38:44,619
the main perpetrators of the cover-up is

3880
02:38:48,689 --> 02:38:46,060
not the government and it's not the

3881
02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:48,699
media it's science and the science thing

3882
02:38:52,830 --> 02:38:50,800
it's this materialistic paradigm you

3883
02:38:55,139 --> 02:38:52,840
know we're biological robots on a

3884
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:55,149
meaningless universe you can't get here

3885
02:38:59,040 --> 02:38:56,080
from there

3886
02:39:00,059 --> 02:38:59,050
this is totally impossible and nobody's

3887
02:39:01,229 --> 02:39:00,069
going to go on the record is going to

3888
02:39:03,809 --> 02:39:01,239
lose your funding you're gonna lose your

3889
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:03,819
job anybody who believes this is going

3890
02:39:08,010 --> 02:39:06,010
to stay very quiet and so if you're

3891
02:39:10,859 --> 02:39:08,020
going to do the story it's the it's the

3892
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:10,869
weird you know alien story and nobody

3893
02:39:13,410 --> 02:39:11,920
really wants to touch it you're not

3894
02:39:16,109 --> 02:39:13,420
going to have any scientists we're going

3895
02:39:19,410 --> 02:39:16,119
to comment on it and it seemed to be the

3896
02:39:21,269 --> 02:39:19,420
sort of the the goofy story that nobody

3897
02:39:23,160 --> 02:39:21,279
wants to touch and it's everybody wants

3898
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:23,170
to be the cool guy everybody it's like

3899
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:24,880
the ego thing everybody wants to be the

3900
02:39:29,689 --> 02:39:27,369
reporter like as though at the White

3901
02:39:32,969 --> 02:39:29,699
House you want to ask the question about

3902
02:39:33,899 --> 02:39:32,979
the economy of Hong Kong or something

3903
02:39:35,490 --> 02:39:33,909
like that you want have some smart

3904
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:35,500
question you don't be the guy to ask the

3905
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:37,930
UFO question because a with you know

3906
02:39:41,219 --> 02:39:39,760
with Billy Cox everybody sort of moves

3907
02:39:43,410 --> 02:39:41,229
away from you when you start to ask it

3908
02:39:44,041 --> 02:39:43,420
so that's the thing it to me it's a big

3909
02:39:49,951 --> 02:39:44,051
story

3910
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:49,961
managed by the government I think they

3911
02:39:54,810 --> 02:39:52,450
may have some some play in whether it

3912
02:39:55,951 --> 02:39:54,820
was the way this thing is is unfolding

3913
02:39:58,411 --> 02:39:55,961
and it's still going to be disclosed

3914
02:40:01,110 --> 02:39:58,421
it's still disclosure it's still raising

3915
02:40:02,791 --> 02:40:01,120
consciousness because even though people

3916
02:40:03,900 --> 02:40:02,801
will say I really don't believe this

3917
02:40:06,451 --> 02:40:03,910
thing you've got millions of people

3918
02:40:09,241 --> 02:40:06,461
watching this story as it unfolds and

3919
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:09,251
people it puts that little doubt in your

3920
02:40:12,060 --> 02:40:11,110
mind which is a key thing that people

3921
02:40:15,030 --> 02:40:12,070
always forget when it comes to

3922
02:40:17,041 --> 02:40:15,040
disclosure the aliens are doing the same

3923
02:40:19,770 --> 02:40:17,051
thing as the government if the aliens

3924
02:40:22,051 --> 02:40:19,780
wanted to disclose they would land on

3925
02:40:23,791 --> 02:40:22,061
the White House lawn and if they wanted

3926
02:40:26,251 --> 02:40:23,801
to keep it quiet they would just not

3927
02:40:30,121 --> 02:40:26,261
they would not appear when people see

3928
02:40:32,371 --> 02:40:30,131
UFOs why do you see a UFO why do you

3929
02:40:32,970 --> 02:40:32,381
always have lights on them so you can

3930
02:40:34,591 --> 02:40:32,980
see them

3931
02:40:36,390 --> 02:40:34,601
we don't have lights on our planes they

3932
02:40:38,701 --> 02:40:36,400
have lights so you can see them when you

3933
02:40:40,621 --> 02:40:38,711
see a UFO they want you to see it

3934
02:40:42,180 --> 02:40:40,631
because when they abduct somebody you

3935
02:40:43,980 --> 02:40:42,190
don't see it so when you see it you're

3936
02:40:45,930 --> 02:40:43,990
part of the game right so the aliens are

3937
02:40:48,631 --> 02:40:45,940
playing exactly the same game as the

3938
02:40:51,331 --> 02:40:48,641
government is this gradual drop the

3939
02:40:53,761 --> 02:40:51,341
breadcrumbs go little by little slow

3940
02:40:55,081 --> 02:40:53,771
acclimatization it's almost like there

3941
02:40:57,511 --> 02:40:55,091
you hear these stories about them

3942
02:41:00,331 --> 02:40:57,521
working in cooperation and they may have

3943
02:41:01,921 --> 02:41:00,341
actually learned this is some sort of

3944
02:41:03,451 --> 02:41:01,931
communication with it with the beings

3945
02:41:05,430 --> 02:41:03,461
that this is how you have to do it

3946
02:41:08,820 --> 02:41:05,440
because they're both doing exactly the

3947
02:41:13,741 --> 02:41:08,830
same thing well you know I I spoke about

3948
02:41:14,820 --> 02:41:13,751
a lot about the Nazca mummy on on

3949
02:41:17,610 --> 02:41:14,830
coast-to-coast

3950
02:41:20,491 --> 02:41:17,620
they've got fifty a hundred million

3951
02:41:23,640 --> 02:41:20,501
views of the vid that's a crazy amount

3952
02:41:25,470 --> 02:41:23,650
of views in the last three weeks I've

3953
02:41:29,041 --> 02:41:25,480
spoken about it here on fade to black

3954
02:41:32,911 --> 02:41:29,051
I've done it they know that this story

3955
02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:32,921
exists but they choose for some reason

3956
02:41:39,451 --> 02:41:36,370
to ignore either side either reporting

3957
02:41:42,390 --> 02:41:39,461
on the science side or reporting on the

3958
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:42,400
joke side right and make fun of it but

3959
02:41:46,860 --> 02:41:44,650
they've chosen to ignore it and I find

3960
02:41:49,801 --> 02:41:46,870
that very very interesting

3961
02:41:52,530 --> 02:41:49,811
somebody is clamping down on this and

3962
02:41:55,261 --> 02:41:52,540
I'm not joking this is a real phenomenon

3963
02:41:56,840 --> 02:41:55,271
that's playing out in in front of all of

3964
02:41:59,450 --> 02:41:56,850
our eyes right now

3965
02:42:01,460 --> 02:41:59,460
they have chosen to ignore this story

3966
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:01,470
now you remember

3967
02:42:07,340 --> 02:42:04,560
let's go back you remember the the

3968
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:07,350
Howard Hughes will remember that the

3969
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:10,409
whole yes had that that was six months

3970
02:42:16,849 --> 02:42:14,399
of the laughing hoax story that the

3971
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:16,859
media played out back then they love it

3972
02:42:20,750 --> 02:42:19,050
when there is something like this out

3973
02:42:22,849 --> 02:42:20,760
there that people are buying into this

3974
02:42:26,990 --> 02:42:22,859
hoax hahaha but they're not even doing

3975
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:27,000
that side i somebody is clamping down on

3976
02:42:32,090 --> 02:42:30,960
this and it and I'm not kidding yeah but

3977
02:42:33,170 --> 02:42:32,100
it's always been they with the media

3978
02:42:35,149 --> 02:42:33,180
it's always been two goofy stories

3979
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:35,159
nobody really wants to touch I mean if

3980
02:42:39,410 --> 02:42:37,170
you were to get I think the critical

3981
02:42:42,439 --> 02:42:39,420
thing is if you were to get a major

3982
02:42:44,030 --> 02:42:42,449
scientist to make a comment on it then

3983
02:42:46,189 --> 02:42:44,040
they would sort of cover that because in

3984
02:42:49,219 --> 02:42:46,199
a lot of cases they are looking for the

3985
02:42:50,780 --> 02:42:49,229
out they're looking for some sort of way

3986
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,790
to do this and this is one of the

3987
02:42:54,200 --> 02:42:52,319
disclosures has come up with was this

3988
02:42:56,540 --> 02:42:54,210
idea that they're going to make some

3989
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:56,550
sort of clam Bigelow talks about this

3990
02:43:00,290 --> 02:42:58,319
they're not going to disclose but

3991
02:43:02,059 --> 02:43:00,300
they're going to confirm and one of the

3992
02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:02,069
ideas is that they're going to do this

3993
02:43:06,290 --> 02:43:04,770
announcement where we discovered

3994
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:06,300
extraterrestrial life out there now

3995
02:43:09,979 --> 02:43:08,399
that's different than it being here

3996
02:43:12,050 --> 02:43:09,989
right because it's one thing to say it's

3997
02:43:14,750 --> 02:43:12,060
out there it's another thing to do what

3998
02:43:16,910 --> 02:43:14,760
Hillary Clinton say said it was a major

3999
02:43:20,389 --> 02:43:16,920
statement that she made they may already

4000
02:43:22,130 --> 02:43:20,399
be here that's a big statement so we see

4001
02:43:24,260 --> 02:43:22,140
what happened with the 1996 with the

4002
02:43:25,880 --> 02:43:24,270
Mars meteorite thing now you have the

4003
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:25,890
Mars is making these announcements on

4004
02:43:29,420 --> 02:43:27,359
this and whatever when that Mars

4005
02:43:31,460 --> 02:43:29,430
meteorite came out in 1996 Bill Clinton

4006
02:43:34,429 --> 02:43:31,470
grabbed that meteorite and he had the

4007
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:34,439
news conference on the South Lawn of the

4008
02:43:37,189 --> 02:43:36,000
White House because they are looking for

4009
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:37,199
anything to get out of this situation

4010
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:39,630
some sort of acclimatization thing where

4011
02:43:45,530 --> 02:43:41,760
they move it there so if you can get

4012
02:43:49,010 --> 02:43:45,540
some sort of information right right who

4013
02:43:52,219 --> 02:43:49,020
to to to comment on the story like you

4014
02:43:54,170 --> 02:43:52,229
know I don't know who you'd get but but

4015
02:43:56,450 --> 02:43:54,180
some major Senate Dennis this story

4016
02:43:58,010 --> 02:43:56,460
becomes the person and with that said

4017
02:44:01,010 --> 02:43:58,020
how our Houston you have a person who

4018
02:44:02,300 --> 02:44:01,020
becomes the story but the there's so

4019
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:02,310
many of these stories like when like as

4020
02:44:05,750 --> 02:44:03,930
I said when when do you have the

4021
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:05,760
president three times stands up and

4022
02:44:10,700 --> 02:44:08,489
basically says this thing's for real or

4023
02:44:13,400 --> 02:44:10,710
when Barack Obama goes on

4024
02:44:14,990 --> 02:44:13,410
um you know Kimmel or all these people

4025
02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:15,000
that are on Kimmel and nobody picks up

4026
02:44:18,560 --> 02:44:16,890
on this either where bush says I ain't

4027
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:18,570
saying nothing he's basically confirming

4028
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:22,410
it or if you saw the Ben Hansen review

4029
02:44:28,250 --> 02:44:26,010
of the broad language yeah where he's

4030
02:44:30,110 --> 02:44:28,260
hyperventilating reading 42 times a

4031
02:44:33,230 --> 02:44:30,120
minute when he's asked what did you do

4032
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:33,240
and he said I can't I can't say anything

4033
02:44:37,280 --> 02:44:35,370
and that's basically the answer he's

4034
02:44:39,170 --> 02:44:37,290
classified he can't talk about it and

4035
02:44:40,730 --> 02:44:39,180
you have this sort of story and you

4036
02:44:43,790 --> 02:44:40,740
figure like well I should go viral I

4037
02:44:45,469 --> 02:44:43,800
mean Brock basically confirms it or when

4038
02:44:47,630 --> 02:44:45,479
he tells this little six-year-old kid

4039
02:44:49,969 --> 02:44:47,640
and and and Ben Hansen does the review I

4040
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,979
tried to got Ben to do that review of

4041
02:44:53,540 --> 02:44:51,600
that little six-year-old kid on Ellen

4042
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:53,550
show and they're reading off cue cards

4043
02:44:57,560 --> 02:44:56,010
and it's very obvious that he planned

4044
02:44:58,850 --> 02:44:57,570
this whole thing and I went to the

4045
02:45:01,280 --> 02:44:58,860
little kids parents and they wouldn't

4046
02:45:03,710 --> 02:45:01,290
talk I contacted them was this question

4047
02:45:05,570 --> 02:45:03,720
planned who did Brock set this thing up

4048
02:45:07,910 --> 02:45:05,580
for this kid Dallas this UFO question

4049
02:45:11,210 --> 02:45:07,920
and nobody touched that store either so

4050
02:45:14,060 --> 02:45:11,220
they've dropped all these stories and it

4051
02:45:16,460 --> 02:45:14,070
to me it's always sort of the goofy sort

4052
02:45:18,710 --> 02:45:16,470
of thing you could do a sighting story

4053
02:45:21,170 --> 02:45:18,720
or a local story but when it gets to the

4054
02:45:23,450 --> 02:45:21,180
national media all these stories diode

4055
02:45:25,820 --> 02:45:23,460
in the Matt in the national media thank

4056
02:45:29,719 --> 02:45:25,830
you so much grant I asked for 10 minutes

4057
02:45:32,570 --> 02:45:29,729
he gave me 30 so I can always talk you

4058
02:45:34,430 --> 02:45:32,580
know yeah you're the absolute best now

4059
02:45:36,260 --> 02:45:34,440
are you going to be speaking you got

4060
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:36,270
another book coming out what's going on

4061
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:38,160
well I have to Charlie Red Star book

4062
02:45:42,980 --> 02:45:40,650
which is out in a couple of weeks in the

4063
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:42,990
States I'm doing an interview at an

4064
02:45:47,900 --> 02:45:45,210
onion view I'm doing a lecture at ions

4065
02:45:50,180 --> 02:45:47,910
which is going to be the consciousness

4066
02:45:52,070 --> 02:45:50,190
thing I'm going to deal with the what is

4067
02:45:54,380 --> 02:45:52,080
reality all about and what's the

4068
02:45:55,850 --> 02:45:54,390
connection to the UFO phenomena and what

4069
02:45:57,380 --> 02:45:55,860
should we be looking for in terms of

4070
02:45:59,090 --> 02:45:57,390
understanding what's actually going on

4071
02:46:00,800 --> 02:45:59,100
who these beings are what they're doing

4072
02:46:03,890 --> 02:46:00,810
here what's the message stuff like that

4073
02:46:07,330 --> 02:46:03,900
I'm doing two lectures in England next

4074
02:46:12,770 --> 02:46:07,340
year I'm doing Cleveland Ohio in

4075
02:46:14,810 --> 02:46:12,780
September doing Minnesota in September

4076
02:46:16,460 --> 02:46:14,820
so that's basically what I'm doing and

4077
02:46:18,380 --> 02:46:16,470
then I have the music book coming out

4078
02:46:19,880 --> 02:46:18,390
but I've held that advant that finished

4079
02:46:21,890 --> 02:46:19,890
for a year but I do the connection and

4080
02:46:24,590 --> 02:46:21,900
you and I talked about this before ideas

4081
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:24,600
all the people who've been

4082
02:46:31,070 --> 02:46:28,560
abducted musicians bands like the Moody

4083
02:46:33,769 --> 02:46:31,080
Blues were abducted and I have a new one

4084
02:46:36,439 --> 02:46:33,779
four out of Canada 1972 a band in the

4085
02:46:38,149 --> 02:46:36,449
Tara band that was abducted and that's a

4086
02:46:39,769 --> 02:46:38,159
bizarre story so I the music book is

4087
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:39,779
coming out where have the connection

4088
02:46:46,460 --> 02:46:44,130
between ETS and music which is

4089
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:46,470
fascinating story thank you so much

4090
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:48,810
grant be safe out there and after this

4091
02:46:53,689 --> 02:46:51,930
show tonight they will be watching you

4092
02:46:56,149 --> 02:46:53,699
okay

4093
02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:56,159
behaving be well grant thank you so much

4094
02:46:59,389 --> 02:46:57,449
thank you

4095
02:47:04,099 --> 02:46:59,399
you got a grant Cameron everybody

4096
02:47:05,149 --> 02:47:04,109
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4097
02:47:09,469 --> 02:47:05,159
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4098
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:09,479
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4099
02:47:16,130 --> 02:47:12,810
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02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:16,140
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02:47:19,729 --> 02:47:17,850
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